SENATE PASSES HEALTHCARE BILL
Its official, the Senate Finance Committee has passed an $829 healthcare bill by a 14-9 vote. Though the plan is expected to cover an additional 29 million Americans, the President stated that there is still much work to be done.
Sen. Olympia Snowe was the only Republican to cross party lines and vote for the bill which will reduce cost for poorer Americans and make it easier for small groups and individuals to purchase coverage.
What do you think? Is this a good start or does Congress need to do more for poorer citizens? Tell us here.
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HaHaHaHaHa!!!!
I’m already laughing my a$$ off at the nonsense that is to follow …
Gnash, sayers-of nay, gnash!
AP
I think it’s a great start. Okay AP i’m going to sit back and watch the battle that’s coming your way. LOL
The real Summer
If anyone see another Post by a Summer or Summer In MN she/he is the fake Summer/MN…..
Lets see what the 829$ covers first of all. I am surprised they even came to an agreement and I would love to know why the 9 opposed the bill.
All 9 ‘nayers’ were Republicans, Birthwrite. That’s explanation enough for me. Sad, right?
Yes, 829B is a good start. I hope the Dems rally for the public option that would drive down costs even further and help many more people.
Peace!
Passage of a healthcare bill is an impressive accomplishment for President Obama.His opponents are always salavating at the mouth for him to fail. Affordable healthcare is a significant issue for the working and middle class.Hospitals and clinics take advantage of the uninsured and inflate medical charges. This healthcare bill is the first step towards bridging the gap between the insured and uninsured.
I am going to wait and see how much pork is going to be attached to a health care reform bill if it does passed into law. The senate finance bill – no public option. What does Obama wants? A final bill with/without a public option. This president lacks leadership.
The Real Summer.
“Passage of a healthcare bill is an impressive accomplishment for President Obama.”
Is there a healthcare bill? Which of the five-committees bills is an accomplishment for President Obama? The ones with the public option or the ones without?
Summer in MN
on October 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm Said:
I am going to wait and see how much pork is going to be attached to a health care reform bill if it does passed into law. The senate finance bill – no public option. What does Obama wants? A final bill with/without a public option. This president lacks leadership.
The Real Summer.
Summer in MN
on October 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pm Said:
“Passage of a healthcare bill is an impressive accomplishment for President Obama.”
Is there a healthcare bill? Which of the five-committees bills is an accomplishment for President Obama? The ones with the public option or the ones without?
Hey MeOnly girl, you still trying to be me…. Well you have a good evening. Girl… Make sure you take your meds tonight…
Exactly, Brenda! We need those democrats to stop acting like republicans. Tell Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to light a fire under some of them:
http://pol.moveon.org/pac/harryreid/comments.html?registered=1&id=17539-10353821-54BCvkx&petition_id=763&redirect_url=%2Fpac%2Fharryreid%2Fcomments.html
I don’t think you guys realize what you are wishing for. You act as if none of you have health care. First, 50 million people are uninsured. Out of that 50, 10 million are illegal aliens. Another 10 or so don’t want health care. That leaves us with a number around 30 million people. There are 300 million people in this country. All of this for 30 million uninsured? So we are spending Trillions of dollars ( the $829 billion figure does not include public option and the other surprises in the other 5 bills) for 30 million people? Do you know that we will never end the recession with that kind of debt? Where is the fiscal responsibility here and the logic? If the wealthy and companies are going to be required to take on the burden of the tax load who will create jobs? You can’t argue with that logic. Companies create jobs not government.
Why can’t the government find a way to insure the 30 million people who don’t have insurance without spending all that money and cutting Medicare? I know why and you have heard me explain it before.
You say insurance is expensive. Competition drives down cost. Open up state borders where employers and employees can shop nationwide for insurance. The government, under the government plan, can assess penalties, assess premiums, increase taxes and so on. If you don’t like that then where will you go? Then you have no choice at all once you are on that plan. We at least have a choice now.
Public health care will only create a monopoly hc payer , the government especially if it is allowed to compete against the private plans. In addition, Obama has created an impossible scenario for private plans to stay in business with mandates like taxing them additionally for certain plans and mandating that they must accept all insureds and pay all claims. The private plans can’t stay in business.
Choice and competition is the only thing that will keep health insurance affordable and efficient. If McDonald’s doubled the price of their hamburgers they would go out of business because all of us would go to Burger King, Wendy’s etc. instead. So competition and choice keeps McDonald’s and others from charging outrageous prices. Its the same with health care.
Plus, there is something you aren’t considering. The number of insureds will increase as government allows more and more to cross our borders over the years. Who’s picking up that additional cost? Us the tax payers.In 10 years it will be a nightmare with outrageous deficits. Eventually they will have to raise taxes because the only way to pay for all this stuff is with our money. They are using our money. This is not free folks. And as the public roles increase, more money is needed. Who will be operating this madness? The government. No thank you.
Larry, every living human will need healthcare at some point, whether they want to pay for it or not. The problem with the system as it is, is that it’s so costly, it excludes many people from affording insurance at all. Furthermore, the insurance companies can arbitrarily pay as they please by labeling an illness as preexistent and not covering it, or refusing to pay for some preventive procedures. Additionally, people are pushed into insurmountable debt the moment they suffer a catastrophic illness.
You don’t seem to appreciate that forcing insurance companies to compete IS capitalism. But, in reality, insurance companies are only middlemen who are bilking both doctors and patients. They’re highly inefficient clogs in the system that obstruct the doctor and patient relationship, which actually prevents people from receiving the care they need. Have you ever really stopped to think about how much money you’ve paid for health insurance over the years, versus the number of visits to your doctor per year? Generally, my family members and I only have to visit our doctors once annually. The insurance companies are on the better end of that deal.
Your burger company analogy is an apple/orange comparison. See, if McDonald’s were the only burger company in business and began charging outrageous prices for theirs, the American public would still have an alternative. We could decide that we aren’t going to pay their prices, go to the grocery store to buy the ingredients, then cook our own burgers at home, which taste better and can be healthier for us. But, most of us can not provide our own healthcare. We have to rely on professionals to do most of that for us.
Why are you and so many conservatives obssessed with illegal aliens? We’re ALREADY paying for their healthcare, schooling and every other benefit that tax dollars pay for. We’re ALREADY paying for the millions of U.S. citizens who don’t have insurance, E-VER-Y time they visit the emergency room. Would you prefer to continue paying quadruple the costs to provide them treatment, just so you can feel satisfied that you have something they don’t?
I am truly hoping the elected and the people put in place to make this health care bill work will not let up on the insurance companies. When people are hired to do a job, someone need to make sure its done every day. Once a position is filled and the people are comfortable it seem to go down hill. We need supervisors to supervisor or be terminated from bottom to top. If you have tried evry thing and still can’t afford certain health care needs, than you need to be able to get help. Help for all american citizens should be available some place. The same health care the elected and appointed get. Insurance Companies do not need to make twenty million dollars for sitting in a corner office. Greed IS NOT GOOD.
Larry,
You wrote that appx. 10 million people don’t want health care. Are you saying they don’t want it at all, or that don’t want to pay for it? Or, that they don’t want the gov’t involved?
I’m not clear on that stat. Also, please link me to info you have about it. I’d like to read about people who would chose to be without healthcare.
Thanks in advanced.
AP
AP,
There are plenty of people who don’t take insurance , especially the young. They are healthy and feel they don’t want or need it at this time in their life.
Rance, where do I start? Rance you are incorrect. Insurance companies don’t arbitrarily deny coverage. That’s why there is contract language in the form of a policy. That’s how policy is set.
Obama as chosen the insurance companies to pick on because he needed a villian. That’s the start of any campaign: find somebody to blame. Surely, you would agree that insurance companies have nothing to do with hospital rooms being over $1000.00 a night. Or a aspirin being $6. How are insurance companies responsible for that? Please explain.
Also, the concept that insurance companies don’t compete is false. They compete and would compete with each other more if you open up state borders. Right now government restricts competition. You can’t tell me that Aetna is not competing with Humana. Cigna is not competing with United health care. If you don’t agree with that please explain.
No. Private insurance cannot compete with the public option. The government has unlimited funds. Our money. And if they choose they can just print more. The Government is not affected by market forces like the privates are. The public option will undercut the privates in premium cost every time thus running privates out of business as companies will shift their employees toward the cheaper public plans. Of course, this is what Obama wants. That’s not capitalism Rance. How can it be when the public option is not affected by market forces? I will await to hear your answer.
Obama wants a single payer system. He said it in 2003 and continues to demonstrate that with his fables on hc.
Rance, if you are comfortable paying for illegals, which the number grows and grows everyday, then may you be the first to donate your cash. I have no problem with those wishing to donate doing so. Where does that stop? How many people , who are not citizens, are you willing to put on the role? 8 million? 70 million? I’ll await your answer.
E is right that assistance should be available for those who cannot get it. But Obama and the repubs are playing politics at our expense. Surely, there is a way cheaper than paying a several trillion dollars to make sure everyone has access.
Larry, apparently there are plenty of people who agree that insurance companies are villainous. Tell the people who’ve been denied coverage for “preexistent” conditions that “Insurance companies don’t arbitrarily deny coverage.”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcT3s0Swftk
Insurance companies can do anything with which they’re able to get away, and they try. I know that from personal experience. Had the parents of that baby not challenged it, and the father not been employed in media so that he was able to bring attention to it, I promise you, it would have taken a lot longer to straighten things out.
Most people choose the insurance options presented to them by their employers, or they choose to be placed on their spouse’s policy, or they can opt out completely. But just because there are insurance companies by various names, doesn’t mean individuals can jump ship whenever ready. The only way most individuals can afford it is when they are part of a large group…like that of an employer. So, the large insurance companies can pretty much ‘Walmart’ the smallers ones out of business.
No, the government can not simply “print more” when more money is needed, because that would render it completely worthless. That’s why the United States has BORROWED money from other countries.
Regarding illegal immigrants, now you’re just being facetious. I won’t bother to address that one.
Rance , no offense but you are completely digging a hole for yourself on this one.
Answer the question about hospital costs. You know the one about the room rate and the aspirin. Tie the insurance companies into that. Back up the fact that you believe insurance companies are the villains. I would like to hear how insurance companies are responsible for that.
The government sells government bonds to investors, foreign countries and to the Fed. When it sells to the Fed it usually repays them by printing money. That’s why inflation is right around the corner. That is headline news.
No, individuals can’t jump ship whenever they want to unless its open enrollment. My message never indicated that they could jump ship when they felt like it. What I said was give employers and employees more options. More options brings more competition and less cost.
Insurance companies are bound by policy language. Insurance companies are also suspect to lawsuits and lawsuits that bring punitive damages. You best believe if they do deny coverage its because they have solid ground to. States are not friendly to insurance companies denying coverage just because they feel like it. Can’t get around that one.
Insurance companies are not in business to insure the indigent. They are in business to make a profit as is GM, Microsoft and McDonalds. It is Obama who makes you believe that insurance companies should not make a profit and insure everyone in America no matter what the cost. Insurance is about risk. It has been for centuries. If you are a bad risk you get no insurance. Plain and simple. If you have 5 DWIs in 2 years State Farm, Allstate, Geico etc will not insure you to drive a car. You are a bad risk.
A lot of insurance companies will go ahead, if pressed, and pay the claim because it would be more expensive to defend a lawsuit.
I think you need to answer the questions about illegal aliens. I am serious. How many is too much for you? When is enough , enough? How many do you believe are capable of being on the role? 20 years from now how many will be on the role? We cannot sustain that cost. It must end now. I will await your response.
Larry, why don’t you comment on the video I posted, then I’ll respond to your question about hospital rooms and aspirin.
Not that you’re on a need-to-know basis, but I’ll explain it anyway. At one time, my health insurance carrier wanted to give me a hassle when I added my children’s father’s insurance as their secondary policy, which my carrier only learned through my dentist’s office filing a claim. I suppose that for the years that I’d had my kids on my policy, they assumed that no one had fathered them. But as soon as they learned that there was a father out there who also had them on his policy, they wanted to deny coverage due to the ‘Birthday Rule’. I went to my state’s site for insurance regulations and found the clause that stated that the ‘Birthday Rule’ is not applicable in cases of divorce and emailed them the page. They seemed unaware of this clause. But, then, I had to send them a copy of my divorce decree as proof, before they would pay their portion.
Larry, anyone who has paid for coverage should expect to get it when it’s needed. When people don’t know their rights, insurance companies get over on them. And the bigger they are, the less concerned they are by lawsuits. They certainly have the resources to outlast any average citizen in a court battle. Negative publicity hurts them more.
So, what do you propose should be done about the bad risk people to whom you say, “No insurance for you!” If they’ve been determined a bad medical risk, one thing that’s sure is they’re going to get sicker. I was not referring to people who have insurance but refuse to go for routine check-ups just because they dislike going to doctors, or those who abuse their bodies. I was speaking of people who would visit a doctor for preventive care if they could afford insurance, or who put off going to doctor’s when they’re sick because they’d have to pay out of pocket. According to your reasoning, those who shouldn’t be eligible for coverage would include bad risk people with congenital conditions, such as heart defects. Do you subscribe to the, “If you’re sick, die quickly” school of thought?
By the way, requiring drivers to carry vehicular liability insurance is a GOVERNMENT mandate, Larry. Since you used this to illustrate your point, then I presume you do agree that there are times when the government should get involved in the lives of private citizens…make decisions for them.
I’d still hate for this to jack our insurance costs up as too many of us really can’t tolerate higher premiums already with individual health insurance as there’s too many illegal immigrants getting special treatment that’s not for us American citizens having tight budgets as the American government’s still not looking after us well enough.
Rance, I will respond to your other concerns later on. I will also view your video. As for now, yes people should get the coverage that they pay for. If there is language in the policy that states certain conditions will not be covered then that’s what the policy says and must be honored. Again, insurance companies are not in the business of providing all coverage just because.
As for those people who have pre -ex: The government can provide them with coverage. I believe its a simple process. But again, Obama wants to wipe out private insurance that’s why he continues to make insurance companies take on those risks.
As for your situation: sounds like an honest mistake by the insurance company not a situation where they were trying to rip you off. There is such a thing as the birthday rule and with a little communication it sounds like you were able to work things out. A lot of people try and get double benefits but insurance companies must watch this so there aren’t duplicate claims on two different policies.
In response to car insurance you are only required to carry it if you drive.
I mentioned car insurance in my example only to illustrate an example of risk.
I think I said that, Larry:
“By the way, requiring drivers to carry vehicular liability insurance is a GOVERNMENT mandate”.
Drivers. Yes, that’s what I said.
Anyway, there was no double-dipping here, Larry. Different carriers. They’re paid to perform a function and neither has any reason to be concerned about who pays the remaining balance.
Geesh.
OK Rance. I have sen the video. Yes it is a tradgedy that this boy could not be insured. But his parents applied for an individual health policy. Those policy’s have different underwriting standards. If the parents had tried to get him on through their coverage at work, group plan, then there would not have been a problem. The entire insurance industry doesn’t deserve a black eye because of this. Individual insurance is rated differently than group insurance. Again , insurance is about risk. Apparently, the company’s underwriting standards stated that the boy was a high risk candidate. I am assuming the company changed its policy because of all the negative publicity.
Now I would like to hear your answers:
Tell us about hospital costs and why they are so high. Why do you blame insurance companies for that?
Also, how many illegal aliens are you ok with for getting government insurance? The number grows and grows daily as the Obama administration welcomes them in. How many will come in the next 10 years? Who is picking up the cost to insure them? I await your answer.
Larry,
Hospitals charge exhorbitant rates for their services because they can. But insurance companies hands are not completely clean in this. The insurers are in the bargaining position to negotiate discounts with medical facilities, or drop them. Because of this, insurers haven’t been too concerned by skyrocketing medical bills. They probably could have forced caps on what facilities charge patients, but they don’t because they don’t feel the effects the way patients do, and it gives them an excuse to raise their premiums, supposedly to offset their own higher costs. Therefore, consumers are left to absorb the unpaid portion of bills in one of the following ways.
1. Higher premiums for the insured and a heavy hit to the pocket for portions of the bill not covered by insurance
2. Outrageous bills for the uninsured
If the uninsured can’t pay at all, then the insured get hit twice.
Should illegal immigrants be made citizens so that they can legally work and become taxpayers, then I’m fine with them getting government insurance.
Why should I WANT anyone to be unable to receive medical attention? The illegal immigrants are already here, aren’t they? If you start denying people who come from abject poverty, the ability to see a doctor, you’re going to see a spread in illness like the days of typhoid fever.
i think all americans will get health insurance if for instance you work 3 years for the same company and you get fired you will be reimbursed half of what you paid for that way you can continue to pay for it until you find another job dont you think thats fair
I am twenty eight years old and I am a diabetic I have to pay my medical supplies out my pocket I support what the president is doing if it was bush he wouldn’t did it be thankful quit hatin give credit when credit is due we finally have someone to look up in our race that is running the whole country that’s real
Rance as usual you are not presenting accurate facts. In fact, your statements above you are purely speculating. For example you say, “They probably could have forced caps on what facilities charge patients, but they don’t because they don’t feel the effects the way patients do, and it gives them an excuse to raise their premiums, supposedly to offset their own higher costs. Therefore, consumers are left to absorb the unpaid portion of bills in one of the following ways.”
Yes insurance companies do negotiate schedule fees. However hospital costs are still sky high. Your statement above is pure speculation on your part and false. It also shows you have no real answer to the question. So Obama has duped you again. Insurance is not responsible for all this health care mess as he likes to profess. We have just seen an example of this through this exchange.
In regard to your response about illegal aliens you failed to address that their numbers grow each day and over a 10 year period we will see a dramatic increase. What do you plan for them? Where do you draw the line on the number of illegal aliens entering and getting coverage?
Blacka….. talk to your representative and tell them to pass a plan that will not bankrupt insurance companies or lesson elderly reimbursement fees. Tell them to stop playing politics and take care of the American people.
Larry, if I’m only speculating, then are you able to prove otherwise? What have insurers done on behalf of their insured, to encourage medical facilities keep costs down?
Here are articles on which my “speculations” are based. Where are yours?
http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/1000188/tenets-high-hospital-prices-and-their-perverse-consequences/
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/i_feel_for_karen_ignani.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/health/14insure.html
And, Larry, since the issue of illegal immigrants is your baby, the one you continually bring up and quibble over, then why don’t you tell me what YOU would do about them, if you could. Be brutally honest.
Larry,
You said to Rance that she is not “presenting accurate facts.”
Forevermore you do not get to make that charge against anyone. Ever. You’ve proved that you’re willing to misquote and truncate to manipulate information to suit your purposes. Here’s why:
Your quote: (October 14th, “Obama Wins NPP” entry)
“Now Anti-Christ? Look at the fact he stated we were not a Christian nation. Look at the fact that while making a speech at Notre Dame he had the symbol for Jesus covered. A lot of ministers do not like this man. I think that’s abnormal. I’ll let you guys make the call on that topic.”
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My response:
AmericanPatriot
on October 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pm Said:
Larry,
Obama believes that religious conservatives need to accept the fact that America has evolved and government policies need to encompass all faiths because the country is no longer just a Christian nation.
His complete quote:
“I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. WHATEVER WE ONCE WERE, WE’RE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION; WE ARE ALSO A JEWISH NATION, A MUSLIM NATION, A BUDDHIST NATION, A HINDU NATION, AND A NATION OF NONBELIEVERS. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we’re formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, WE’VE GOT TO WORK TO TRANSLATE OUR REASONING INTO VALUES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERY ONE OF OUR CITIZENS, NOT JUST MEMBERS OF OUR OWN FAITH COMMUNITY.”
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204016.aspx
The then-Senator Obama made the above statement to highlight the fact that liberals and conservatives, people of every faith, and people of no faith (ie. organized religion) would have to work together to help American live up to its potential and its promise.
Larry, your version is not only taken out of context, it was also misquoted to serve as illumination of your assertion that Obama is the “anti-Christ”! It’s abominable and pitiable. To see you misquote and truncate is straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. It cheapens every argument you attempt to make. It’s a shame because, although we disagree on probably 85% of what’s discussed here, I never pegged you as the type of person to take a truth and turn it into a complete fabrication, to manipulate a statement to fit your own purposes.
I expect better of you.
AP
PS. The cover-up to which you refer was at Georgetown, not Notre Dame. The request was made by the White House because had it not been covered the Catholic abbreviation for Jesus, “IHS,” would have been visible directly above Obama’s head. Imagine the uproar from the sayers-of-nay at what would have been perceived as the ultimate show of disrespect by the President. Cries from far and wide would have abounded decrying the fact that the maker was allowed to remain. Remember the uproar caused by his Denver décor.
The Right has set up a dichotomy whereby whatever the President does is wrong. It’s occasionally sad, but always entertaining.
AP,
I never referred to Obama as the anti- Christ. I think you got that wrong. That was Rance. I guess she was trying to bait me. Doesn’t the fact that I let the readers make the call show that I am not making that judgement? And if you must know this nation was founded on Christian principles and therefore is a Christian nation. I think he meant it as I quoted it and so do millions of other people. Obama’s statement fits with every other leftist party member in his cabinet and strategies he has put into play.
What Rance said about insurance companies was pure speculation. I didn’t take her comment as one that was just mistaken but as one that was intentionally trying to mislead. The fact that insurance is now the boogy man no matter what the facts makes no difference to anyone on this site. That is wrong.
And in my opinion if Obama was so worried about IHS he should have found another space to give the speech like any normal human being would have. Instead, he chose to cover it up which is insane. I guess his strategy backfired.
While this country goes down the drain and we all face bigger problems. High unemployment, a sinking dollar, a growing deficit, foreign crazies building up arms and bombs and so on. We have people actually supporting these WH, Chicago style politics. Right now Obama is waging war on Fox news. A few weeks ago he was in Copenhagen trying to get the Olympics for Chicago. He has spent months on HC and we are really no closer to it than we were 3 mos ago. Let’s not forget he tried to ram it down our throats before we could even see what was happening and on Aug 3 told anyone who oppossed him ” get out of the way”. He wants to control radio, the internet, HC, the economy. Yeah, what about the economy? When will he address the thousands of people who have no jobs? 16% of the stimulus money has hit the street. The rest is due next year and the year after , close to re election time. Most now don’t want another stimulus because they have no faith in it. Its funny, when Obama misleads and misguides you are silent.
The President needs no help from the right in making himself look bad. Take for example Fox: it reports the news: it doesn’t make it up. And if you want to find something on Fox that is made up then I believe you should report it here. I would welcome that information. However, you would have to watch the channel first.
OK Rance. In the future I will try and direct my comments in a more constructive manner since AP is the site monitor.
The Big Story: President Obama Wins the Nobel Peace Prize (Added October 9, 2009)
Rance
on October 14th, 2009 at 2:23 am Said:
“Larry, you stopped short of calling it, ‘One World Order’. Are you laying the groundwork to begin calling him the anti-Christ?”
Maybe you require a site monitor, Larry, because it’s highly unethical of you to claim that I SAID he was the anti-Christ, when instead, I posed the question about the direction your language was headed.
Also, I said many things about insurance companies, so specifically, which of my comments were purely speculative? Obviously, you didn’t read the articles I’ve posted. If you had, you’d know that unlike your conclusions which are formed by fiction, at least my “speculations” are based in fact.
Regarding the Christianity statement that you plucked from context, you appear to think you’re omniscient, knowing not only the unexpressed thoughts of President Obama, but his supposed ulterior motives for those that were expressed. Since you’re not God, I’d call that PURE SPECULATION. Aren’t you becoming a bit full of yourself?
Here’s an example of your throwing things against the wall to see what sticks:
“And in my opinion if Obama was so worried about IHS he should have found another space to give the speech like any normal human being would have. Instead, he chose to cover it up which is insane. I guess his strategy backfired.”
Cover up WHAT?! How do you cover something that is nonexistent?
Your next two sentences indicate that you believe those problems began after January 20, 2009. Had you been Rip Van Winkling the previous eight years, Larry? Your bias completely precludes your judgment.
Fox News had waged a war on President Obama, first. His response to them was looong overdue.
“He wants to control radio, the internet, HC, the economy. Yeah, what about the economy?”
1. I suppose that because he uses modern technology to communicate with Americans and does so effectively, he’s trying to CONTROL these mediums. Yeah, no president ever did that new-fangled radio address thing, before. As far as using Facebook and Twitter to reach young people, I’m sure the republicans wish they’d thought of that sooner. Watch the next elections; They’re going to be Facebooking and tweeting away.
2. We’ve gone round and round on healthcare. You don’t seem to comprehend that everyone needs it. Otherwise, the health of the healthy becomes jeopardized. Access to healthcare should not be treated like an exclusive club membership.
3. Which is it, Larry? Is he trying to control the econony, or not trying to control the ecomony? Your statement has established that you wouldn’t be appeased either way.
For a news source that doesn’t make up the news, it’s awfully strange that Fox News consistently reports subjective slants on stories that other OBJECTIVE news sources don’t.
Larry,
Exactly no, your verbiage does NOT support your assertion that you were not making that judgement. It would be impossible to read your comments as neutral. They supported your assertion. That you tagged on the question that you’ll let others decide has no bearing on the intent of your statement.
This country was founded on Christian principles making this a Christian country? The Constitution specifically PREVENTS the establishment of a national religion. It also, until revised, defined you as 3/5 of a person. Not much Christian about that.
“I think he meant it as I quoted it and so do millions of other people”
Larry, do you know the rank arrogance of that statement? YOU know better than HE what he meant. And be sure that your argument is NOT strengthened by including “millions of other people” in the foolishness. “Millions” can be wrong as easily as one. Also, you didn’t “quote it.” You truncated and misquoted it. THAT is straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. And, as I said, I expect better from you.
“And in my opinion if Obama was so worried about IHS he should have found another space to give the speech like any normal human being would have. Instead, he chose to cover it up which is insane. I guess his strategy backfired.”
I have ZERO issue with this statement. Know why? Because it’s your OPINION. Opinions vary from person to person, and vary within the same person. Don’t state opinion as fact and don’t manipulate fact to suit your purposes and I”ll read whatever you have to say.
“The President needs no help from the right in making himself look bad.”
I didn’t say anything about “looking bad.” I said, “wrong.” That there is a dichotomy whereby whatever Obama does, the right will consider it WRONG (no pun). Please learn to correctly interpret and to correctly quote. Otherwise, you just look silly because you’re flailing against something that doesn’t exist.
Larry, you have no idea from where I get my information, so your challenge is meaningless. It’s also an obvious and weak attempt to deflect the FACT that YOU (note that I didn’t mention Fox, YOU did) are all to happy to give WRONG and FALSE information to support a nefarious claim. Since YOU mentioned Fox, I have to wonder if that’s where you learned that little trick?
The rest of your response devolves into something rather off the topic.
Let’s be clear. I couldn’t care less if you think Obama is the Anti-Christ. It’s your opinion and your free to express it. That either of us, or anyone else will take exception is the freight we pay for having freedom of expression.
The issue, which I made clear in my original post, and have reiterated here, is that you deliberately truncated a quote and manipulated it to support your notion. Further, when that was pointed out, rather than admit that you had stooped so low, you defend your manipulation by asserting you “knew” what the President actually meant. As I said, Larry, as a general rule we don’t agree, however, I am tremendously disappointed by your willful determination to be correct here. First you attempt to deflect the blame onto Rance, then you attempt to justify your actions by saying that you know what Obama really meant. I would think that as a representative of the party that prides itself on “family values” and “personal responsibility” you would be person enough to not prevaricate and would be person enough to admit that what you did was wrong. Your refusal to do either will forever color my interpretation of your future posts.
One of your first comments to me was that you had more facts than me. My response is make sure what you’re stating is actually a fact. Be able, as I am, to provide a link to what you’re talking about. We can, and will, disagree. Hopefully it will be with honesty and integrity. Both of which were missing from your Anti-Christ post. Please bring them back to /your/ playbook.
AP
Larry,
I am the “site monitor”? No, but I am a checker of facts. If you didn’t know it before, you know it now. Please proceed accordingly.
AP
I do not think that we all have been told the truth about this new health care bill . i do not think this health care bill will be to much help to the people that really do need the help.I also think that the health care bill was rushed to much where it would of been better to take more time on the health care bill .I do not think that the senators and president really are going to be looking out for all of the people , I think autistic kids and kids with cancer should be one of the first that should be getting help with health care so there parents will not have to worry about the money for the kids health insurance but it seems to be fact the all of the politicians really do not care about these special needs kids , kids with cancer like my daughter.
Hopefully some day the politicans wake up and start to want to listen to the parents that have been asking for help for these kids.
Phillip
Phillip Hoffmaster Wait and see what in the health care bill before passing judgement on something you know nothing about.
Phillip Hoffmaster Wait and see what in the health care bill before passing judgement on something you know nothing about.