Hey Roland good for you and well done.

Now to Good Ole Harry.

Good ole Harry was complimenting (then) Senator Obama for not being like the rest of us A/Americans. That is he is articulate(“no Negro dialect”) and not dark (“light-skinned”), thus he is acceptable to white america. That’s Good Ole Harry’s view, and he is entitled to it. It is not a matter of truth, but appropriateness. And Good Ole Harry should have known better.

Good Ole Harry says he could have chosen his words better. What words? What better words could he have chosen, to insult black folk.

What is even more insulting is the Al Sharpton, NAACP and the CBC accepting and then justifying his comments. As if they are the voice of millions upon millions of black folk.I’m not calling the guy racist nor demand he quit. Nor I’m i comparing him to Trent Lott. Trent is Trent and harry is Harry.

Let his thoughts stand or fall on its on merits.

Sen. Harry Reid should be taken to task just like any Republican would be if they made those same comments.

I also think the Republican’s outrage is as fake as a WWE wrestling match! They are desperate and are trying to grab onto anything to regain momentum with their party when they have an even LONGER history of making racially insensative comments.

Harry Reid just expressed his true feelings or his point of view as he saw it.However, Harry is getting up in age and what the country needs now,is young vibrant intelligent educated people.The people in Las Vegas are really catching the blues economically.Of course,so is the rest of the country.Harry get Las Vegas together.

If this comment was attributed to a Republican Senate leader, Tim Kane, DNC Chairman would be calling for his/her resignation. Al Sharpton, CBC etc would be in a uproar.

I am a light-skinned American and I can’t tell you the number of times dark-skinned Americans accused me of acting “white” becasue they feel I don’t have the “negro dialect.”

Reid’s private comment just go to show that the only reason he supported Obama is because he (Obama) was acting white.

Reid, like most other Democrats support of Black causes (publicly) are simple opportunistic. The irony is that the majority of Black Ameircans cannot recognise that their loyalty to the Democratic Party is being pawned by people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton and the CBC.

Roland,

Perhaps you can bend the ear of the powers-that-be at TvOne and ask them to get their priorities realigned. Seven months ago, when I happened upon this site, I was encouraged by its “Daily Obama” blog and willingness to provide a forum for discussions about national/international politics.

The site has gone to hell since then.

Apparently Obama can’t hold the imagination of TvOne management; however, if there’s gossip about Kanye, Tiger, Keisha Coles, et. al., TvOne is all over it. Not saying there isn’t a place for gossip, but its place mustn’t be superior to matters that actually affect the lives of real people. And, in TvOne’s case, the gossip is late, the summary poorly written, and the questions the writer (s) pose are ridiculous, off-base non-sequiturs.

TvOne has become a chocolate-covered TMZ.

Hopefully, it will work to regain its position as a source of valuable information and insight.

AP

Responding to the remarks in Reid’s book is playing right in to the republican’s hands. It is a person’s perception to say his statement is racist or not. I do not think it is a racist statement, it is stereotyping.

Chesterfield, Virginia

To: K2O

Harry Reid’s book is “Game Change”

Although Sen. Reid’s comments are nerve touching, Blacks make comments such as that every day, and it doesn’t become a national debate or call for racial discussion within the Black community; let alone anyone being asked to resign or alienated by others.

To a degree those [Blacks] who are making a larger issue of Senator Reid’s comments are hypocritical if they are not challenging it first in the Black community before addressing it with other ethnic groups in our larger community.

There is a huge disparity between educated and well spoken Blacks and Blacks in our community that elected for whatever reason not pursue degrees of higher learning and it is that disparity that gives life to comments such as that spoken by Sen. Reid.

My wife and I were discussing the other night why comments made by Sen. Reid seem to get so much attention. Her hypothesis to our discussion was based on the following fact ——- of the number of Blacks in America, only 4 million of us hold degrees, and of that number nearly 80% percent are women.

So we concluded in our discussion, to see someone such as a President Obama emerge out of nearly nowhere, as polished as he is, yet connected to his identity as a Black man in America is rare —- even among the Black community. We even joked about the disparity between Black men & women in our relationship —- my wife currently holds a Doctorate of Education and I only pursued my education to the Master level and we’re both under forty.

Bottom line is —- as insensitive as Sen. Reid’s comments may have been he is not the person we should be upset/disappointed with —- the person(s) we should be upset with is closer to us than we [Blacks] want to admit.

Patricia:
You have your facts wrong. Game Change quoted a comment Harry Reid made about Obama. It is not Harry Reid’s book.

Understand why you made your original comment.

Larry,

Happy New Year!

Enlighten me please. What does it mean ‘to be Black’? Not what it ‘doesn’t’ mean…

AP

I’m certain that this interview wqill be lukewarm questions & no “real” questions. I’m a black conservative(not a RepubliKan) constitutionalist. I hope Roland asked him hard lined questions. I voted for Obama because I thought that he was a breath of fresh air. But he & his lberal policies have been such a HUGE disappointment. I believe that he will see real change come November when the awful Republicans take the Senate & gain seats in the house. They’ll push back his policies. Thank God!

To: K20

Oh, my bad. :0

Larry,

Thank you for your measured and rational response to my query. I wonder the same about Mother Africa and what she would have achieved were it not for European imperialism and greed.

AP

Harry Reid spoke the truth.

The people that I find truly disgusting are the so-called black scholars, intellectualsals and commentators who wear their golden knee pads as they service the white boys on tv.

I’m responding to Larry’s comment, “…Trent Lott was told to go by Republicans for saying what he said. Now the word “black”, ” Negro” or the ” N”word did not leave his lips yet he had to go. But now most black folks want to give Harry a pass but yet call Republicans racist. How ignorant.”

What is ignorant is your omission of the fact that Trent Lott didn’t use the “N” word, but he boasted of his support for racist and segregationist Strom Thurmond. Lott basically implied that this country would’ve been better off segregated and all these “problems” from blacks wouldn’t exist. In my view, there is NO COMPARISON between Lott’s insidious remark vs. Reid’s.

Second, you state that “People above talk about Republican racial insensitivity but give no examples. That’s typical liberal garble.”

Get real. If I were to list all of the racially insensitive examples of words and actions by Republicans (including Patrick Buchanan’s famous statement that suggested blacks should be thankful we were brought here in chains to America vs. remaining in Africa), there’d be no room. As I stated earlier, Republicans have won elections on racist campaigns (Willie Horton ad) and have made careers from their racial insensitivities to Blacks. If you did a side-by-side list of racially insensitive words and deeds committed by Conservative Republicans vs. Democrats, the Republicans would win hands down.

BTW, conservative leadership and ideology is what got us into the economic and geopolitical quagmire we’re in. Electing more conservative Republicans to “balance” Obama’s so-called liberal/socialist agenda wouldn’t move this country forward in the least. It would result in more legislative gridlock until the Republicans could take back power and control and set us back on the same twisted track we were on at the end of 2008.

President BUSH and President CLINTON are working together for HAITI. When needed we should all put our differences aside to get the job done.

THANKS TO PRESIDENT OBAMA.

Some people use this platform to push their propoganda. I HOPE YOU GET PAID!!!!!!!! We can tell the difference.

jwill7,

In follow up to your earlier post, please note that I AM worried about African Americans. I recognize that African Americans’ future in this country is very much connected to those millionaire Democrats and Republicans.

In my view, African Americans have not been politically engaged enough to be of concern to Republicans (which is why they win elections with their racial insensitivity) while being taken for granted by Democrats.

If you want to view the Dems as the lesser of two evils, that’s fine. The fact of the matter is African Americans have been better served under the Democrats (starting with the Civil Rights Act) than under Republicans.

Ultimately, we cannot ignore that politics has a definite impact on the fate of this country. Thus, African Americans have to vote in greater numbers (especially in off-year elections), organize politically, and hold our political leaders accountable.

It’s naive to think that the problems of African Americans will be solved without political power. I’d advise everyone to worry about Democrats and Republicans if you’re worried about your future in this country.

don’t get it twisted democrats put us in slavery and democrats keep segregation going!not until the dixiecrats got made at lbj for passing the civil rights bill they became republicans!they want too destroy lincoln’s party and have the turn coats vote for there agenda!the south had a plan to not let anyone run this country but white men and women!to say a party will help black america is foolish!!!jwill7 if you can’t understand what i wrote then you got issue’s!my statement is clear!those who were taught under segregation are brainwashed!they have chains on there brains!white is right and attack black it’s that simple!why play there game the goal line moves!real brotha’s know!!!!!bring there dirt too light!!stop trying to be top political pundit!look and listen too your brotha’s and sista’s united!!!!

Alena,

Actually, I agree with you. You expressed your position in a manner that conveyed insight into the role PUBLIC POLICY plays in our everyday lives. And that’s all I’ve been trying to say: Too many of us spend too much time celebrating false illusions, and not enough time examining policy. Therefore, many do not see the relationship between policy decisions and unemployment, poverty, crime, poor education, etc.

As you know, when these systematic relationships are not understood, those lacking the understanding end up blaming the victims. They, operating without an analysis of public policy, argue that the problem is the lack of “personal responsibility”; “laziness,” and “lack of motivation,” etc., on the part of Blacks. That’s simply not true! What’s true is the lack of opportunity! In fact, speaking of propaganda(Jean), these manufactured excuses for cruel and mean spirited socio-economic policies have their modern day origin in the Nixon Administration’s “Benign Neglect,” policies; Reagan’s “welfare queens,” and quite frankly, every subsequent administration (some more subtle than others. They have even hired Black spokes persons to recite these condescending put downs of Blacks (some of them I’ve named earlier).

Then others contend that if Blacks would just do this or that, then they would be accepted, and that too is simply not true. There is more than ample evidence to support my position (evidence already provided). That’s what I was explaining to Xavier, who is probably a good and decent person. I just disagreed with his premise.

The notion of a post-racial society is a flim flam hustle. That too has it’s origin in the Republican era of the last forty years, or so. They at first used the term “color blind,” claiming there was no need to enforce policies put in place during the 1960s to ensure Blacks were admitted to professional schools and had access to employment for which they were qualified. All the while, color was the foremost thing on their minds. Evidence of that is the lack of access Blacks now have to these societal institutions. In some cases, Blacks’ participation has dropped to zero (especially at the University of California and other law schools: Good job Ward Connerly, but how do you sleep at night?). They hired Black spokes persons to mouth those anti- Affirmation schemes. Usually right wingers. Or, overly ambitious Blacks of any wing, willing to sell their souls for an “operant” reward. You might know that the “color Blind” con has actually been the motto of the Brazilian government for years. All the while the Blacks were /are on the bottom of that society.

On the point of Democratic and Republican parties, I have already given my position in my post exchanges with Larry. If you’ve read my earlier posts, you know that I’ve strongly advised him (and his ilk) not to misinterpret this family disagreement as a recruitment opportunity for the nutty right hate mongers. The selling job that Black Conservatives are trying to do in the Black community—will not sale! We’ve already experienced their products and found them unfavorable. At the same time, in my view, we must not restrict our entire mental lives to arguing about Republican and Democrat, this and that. The truth is in many respects, they’re one and the same. However, there is a difference (I’ve already provided examples of both the similarities and the dissimilarities). Rather, I propose that we would be better served by focusing on what’s best for our community on the policy level. Because there’s no telling who might win an election, here and there. All I’m saying is let’s put policy before party, or personality. Let’s put our interest first, like all other groups do. Whether they are ethnic, or some other type of special interest group.

Moreover, what I’m saying is let us think: examine everything, turn over every rock, and look carefully. Or, as my grandmother used to instruct my siblings and me, “use yo’ head fo’ mo’ than ah hat rack!” Let us be analytical, seek out the relationship between things. Be vigorous discoverers of information, and share the information. Let us do it with love, although some times it make get heated. All the while knowing full well that every one is not going to agree with everything some one else says, and rightly so. In fact, when we start agreeing with everything anyone says without question, then we have set ourselves up to be played big time. Rather, research the facts. If the facts inform us that what we’ve previously believed was incorrect, then go with the facts. That’s what truly “educated” people do. For example, if I’m wrong about a fact, then correct me. I don’t want to be wrong! Only a fool wants to be wrong. I want to be right! But I don’t want anyone to bring to me an illusion, intuition, or wishful thinking. Come to the table with an analysis. And (although I’m not too fond of any “evil”, lesser, or not), Alena, You brought an analysis.

Oh, I know you already know this, but there is no religious curse against the Haitian people, despite what that DEMENTED PIMP said. Their so-called “curse” has been POLITICAL, on the POLICY level. It has been their pay back for their bravery in defeating the French and ending their enslavement in 1804. Every since shortly after that, they have been under attack, had their elected leaders overthrown and replaced with dictators. Their economy exploited and used to benefit outsiders. The media readily tells us how “poor” they are, but never tell us why. The inference is clear — they are inferior. But the fact is, they are far from inferior. You see, despite all they have gone through, even in this tragedy, they’re still holding up with great dignity! Despite the media’s search for evidence of “riots”, or other basis for slander, they’ve only been able to find a handful of youths reinforced by the same criminalization POLICIES as too many of our own youths.
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I wonder what the Black Conservatives (such as Dear Brother, Larry) think about that pimp’s attending the inauguration of the Republican Governor in Virginia, this weekend, if I’m not mistaken. That’s says a lot about ideology and values, doesn’t it?

Happy Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday.

In 2010 Why do BLACKS still live in Projects????? Why do we have Ghettos??? Why do our children suffer in the educational system??? Why are our sons in Prison?????

It is called physchological racism. POLICY will not uplift BLACKS.. You can not legislate SELF ESTEEM!!!!

We can pick up our trash in the communities. We can volunteer in our communities. We can take part in the schools. We can walk the steets to protect our young people.

Policy does not make a community —PEOPLE DO. When dogs bark you know that is what dogs do. When BIGOTS talk hatred you know that is what bigots do. This should be no surprise.

Blacks have a job to do – and it is with ourselves and our families, and communities. Poverty is no excuse for not building a power base. We have a racial identity that should unite us to strive for the next generation.

There is no POLICY or LEGISLATION that will equalize the playing field for African Americans. In spite of the RACISTS – BLACKS MUST PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR OWN BOOTSTRAPS.

jmd and Lela jones.

Question: where does Condeleeza Rice and Colin Powell fit in your equation? Since in an earlier post (jmd) suggested that they be brought back into government. And since implementation of PUBLIC POLICY is a function of government, and since You argue that PUBLIC POLICY is unimportant, then how could bringing them back into government help? I’m just asking. Please enlighten me.

And while I’m waiting for your response, it might surprise you that all of the things you mentioned are the DIRECT result of PUBLIC POLICIES.

Oh, by the way, the things you are talking about doing are called “self-determination.” Not “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.” The term you used, “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps,” is not a political ideology, but a bigoted slogan used by Ronald Reagan as he implemented PUBLIC POLICIES that almost succeeded in cutting off what little boot straps African Americans had at the time. Hence much of the ills you point out are a direct result of the PUBLIC POLICIES he implemented. In fact, during his tenure, there was a deliberate PUBLIC POLICY (“economic adjustment”) that the African American community still has not recovered from today.

While I agree that African Americans must be “self-determining,” in fact have to become self-determining, there is no escaping PUBLIC POLICY. The first step in the “self-determining” process is demanding equal access to resources so a viable community can be rebuilt. Black youths are being imprisoned by an alarming rate because that is a PUBLIC POLICY decision. African Americans didn’t decide that. But we must decide that it stops! Demanding that our tax dollars be allocated in a way that results in quality education and economic opportunities, is one self-determining way to at least begin the process. And that requires impacting PUBLIC POLICY. Business ownership by Blacks would be a good place to start, that way, if others won’t hire our people, we can. But one needs a license to operate a legal business, as well as seed money to start it up. PUBLIC POLICY decides who gets a business license, and loans. Operate a business without a license, and PUBLIC POLICY laws will send to jail. We could start our own schools too. That is a great idea. But PUBLIC POLICY decides whether a school meets the licensure and accreditation requirements. If the schools we start are determined not to meet the PUBLIC POLICY standards (even if they do), and we operate them anyway, then we will be be arrested for violating the law (that’s PUBLIC POLICY). Explain how we can resolve these issues without impacting PUBLIC POLICY.

You say poverty doesn’t matter, but most of the communities that you described are those most poverty stricken. So poverty must have a correlation somewhere in the equation. Also when people work, and have legal incomes, they tend be imprisoned less than when they don’t. You rightfully decry the imprisonment of our people, but overlook the role PUBLIC POLICY plays not only in who works, but how much time, and for what, people are imprisoned for. You also ignore the role PUBLIC POLICY plays in who gets jobs guarding our people when they are imprisoned.

I await being enlighten by you. But be advised that what you are talking about is called “self-determination,” not “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.” Self-determination has a long and honorable history among our people as a political philosophy. While on the other hand, “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps,” is simply a right wing slogan, with the purpose of blaming the victims after having cut off their bootstraps.

Finally, you wrote, “Policy don’t make a community people do!”

Specifically, I’d like to know:
(1) What is a community, outside of its institutions, and people?

(2)Which instititions are not
controlled by public policy (laws
and regulation), economic policies,
etc?

(3)How would bringing Sec. Rice and
Gen. Powell back into gov. solve the
problems of interest to African
Americans, as you suggested in your
January 16, 2010 (4:12 P. M.) post?

(4)Why do you use the victim blaming
term “bootstraps,” rather than the
historically significant African
American concept of “self-
determination.”

Please enlighten me. I want to learn.

Well put jwill7 , i want to take that essay and pin up on my wall. One sentence you made really stuck out with me and i quote ” if the facts inform us that what we’ve previously believe was incorrect, then go with the facts” unquote. That is so true because beliefs could either rule fact or delusional thought depending on what is reality, you see there is my belief, there is your belief, there is his belief, there is her belief, there is their beliefs, and then there is the truth itself. Another thing you touch on , and i’m going to keep it short, is that because of the lack of understanding systematic relationships, to those who apply, they blaming the victims not truly looking at what the institution of racism itself play’s in the plight of the victims themselves.It’s a game and they get there favorite negros to, like you say, recite these condescending put down of blacks.And i like your close to the last paragraph lesson about the hatians. One of the most underrated and crucial history thats not being tought in alot of our socalled eductional institutions. After the slaves revolt and defeated the French and liberated that whole island and declared its independence for 150 years, the european powers ( including the U.S.) block all trade and cargo to keep the country from growing. I applaud you JWILL7 for a well put summery, i don’t know if you are a female or a male but you are a very knowledgeable one. Keep schooling. And happy MLK to everybody

**Larry**

You stated there is a big difference between Republicans and Democrates but never stated what the difference was.

1.True back in the day the Republicans were responsible for the abolition of slavery
2. Also help with the amendment of women(white) having the right to vote.
3. Also the Republicans were also (in the 1800’s) had the 1st hispanic and black govenors
4.Established the renown Howard Unversity
5. Passed the 15th Amendment to allow African Americans to vote. And so etc;

Now what happen to all of that ***Richard Nixon***

The Republicans of today are not the same in the past let’s be honest.

Now the roles have changed. And now to my next issue!

******What is Public Policy?******
Public policy is an attempt by the government to address a public issue. The government, whether it is city, state, or federal, develops public policy in terms of laws, regulations, decisions, and actions. There are three parts to public policy-making: problems, players, and the policy.

The problem is the issue that needs to be addressed. The player is the individual or group that is influential in forming a plan to address the problem in question. Policy is the finalized course of action decided upon by the government. In most cases, policies are widely open to interpretation by non-governmental players, including those in the private sector. Public policy is also made by leaders of religious and cultural institutions.

Why do we have ONE SENATOR??? We are about to lose. In America a Power Base can change this. We want to keep the focus so far away to concentrate our energy on so we can stay comfortable that our problem is unsolvable by ourselves. All policy and political issues are issues of economics. Blacks feel socially and intellectally and economically inferior – that is why we have a problem competing economically.

What does REP/DEM have to do with Blacks cleaning up our own communities.
The buck stops with us.

While we are waiting on POLICY the immigrants come into this country and live better than we do . Immigrants line our streets with their businesses and we spend our policy money with them. The foreigners feed their children from the money we have while our children live in poverty.

Go to CHINATOWN, LATIN COMMUNITIES, INDIAN COMMUNITIES, JEWISH COMMUNITIES, ARAB COMMUNITIES, Their streets are lined with their own businesses. They are not waiting for POLICIES!!!!

After wacthing his interview. I feel he is not in touch with the black people. An he is trying to play on fence. I stood in line to vote for him. The heath care bill does not make since when old people lose their benfit. The only thing they need to change is insurance company ripping people off. He has no plan to do anything for black people. Am black. I feel at least hillary would take a stand for blacks.After watch tonight I will not vote for him again. At lease bush did give the people a check.He is doing nothing for the people business yes how many black goin to get a consution job guess who already have then. All this talk about fix our money problems give everybody 15,000 an see how many new business owner an how much things change it the same amout they gave to wall street do the math.

CAPITALIST drive politics. We need politicians that know how to participate in the system. We are usually bystanders on the sidelines because we do not have enough power nor money to participate. Blacks do not have a CAPITALISTIC POWER BASE because most of us do not know how to play the game. It does not matter what we are labeled, we can not afford to play sides. Our future existence and prosperity in America is at stake.

Blacks have to rise above petty parties.
OBAMA reached out to BUSH to help him solve a problem.

In America – Why are RAPPERS our new MILLIONAIRES???? They are not waiting for policy. Rappers have the will to participate in the music industry as Capitalists.

Blacks need to strive to be POWERFUL CAPITALISTS – not victimized beggars trying to influence policy to make us equal.

Ms Des,

Thanks for giving a brief explanation of public policy. You also provided some insight into how non-governmental entities impact public policy.

One of the problems is that some people don’t understand the relationship between things. I almost said the relationship between variables. But I won’t get technical, because the objective of communication is to effectively get across ones ideas. I know you understand that, because you communicate well.

On the question of public policy, some people think that things exist independently of each other. So they make statements that either have no basis in fact, or have not been adequately analyzed. They go on and on, garble, garble. But when you challenge them to think (or perhaps read), you never hear from them (I’m still waiting to be enlighten by jmd and Lela).
They take forums like this as joke to vent their lack of understanding. Or, maybe they’re asking to be informed (as I have asked jmd and Lela to inform me). So, I’m going to try one last time on the issue of how PUBLIC POLICY is the foundation of any society. WATCH THIS!

Lorean,
The other groups you mentioned indeed have PUBLIC POLICY on their sides. They get bank loans to start businesses in their own communities, and ours. They have fully equipped schools that teach their children their own history and group interest (I’m not talking hating others). And public policy allows them to have relationships with their homelands. This allows them to be bi-cultural. They get the best from their own culture as well as the American society. No one discriminates against them. They don’t WAIT for PUBLIC POLICY. They demand and SHAPE public policy in THEIR INTEREST.

No one is suggesting waiting for PUBLIC POLICY. That is opposite to the point. Did Dr. King wait for PUBLIC POLICY, or did he lead a movement to change PUBLIC policy. An interest group must FORMULATE and DEMAND public policy initiatives. Like the ones you mentioned do. That’s what our elected officials are for. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DEMAND A PUBLIC POLICY THAT WILL ADDRESS OUR ISSUES. Instead, some of us repeat after Reagan and hallucinate about “boot straps” that don’t exist in an environment of over 50% unemployment in some areas (according to people who STUDY those kinds of things). We let our elected officials get away with not performing in our own interest. Instead, we let them off the hook by our fantasizing that doing their jobs; IMPLEMENTING PUBLIC POLICY in our interest is not important. Then we want to talk about how unclean some Black communities are, as if all African Americans communities are unclean. We ignore the fact that communities where we see these problems with litter are generally those that are impoverished. THEN WE REFUSE TO SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POVERTY AND PUBLIC POLICY. Dr. King saw it. What has happened to us?

When we hear things like “stimulus for job creation,” that’s PUBLIC POLICY! And since there is a relationship between unemployment and poverty, then there is a relationship between all the ills of poverty and PUBLIC POLICY that you are complaining about.

LORD, HAVE MERCY!!

HUNTER,

The reason rappers are millionaires, is because they are being “rewarded” to do music that reinforces the culture of prison filling. Note that the only well paid ones are those promoting that kind of trash. Putting Black people in prison, rather than school and work, is a PUBLIC POLICY decision. Although, the plot is not publicly discussed (see Ms. Des’s description of various manifestations of public policy implementation and the players in it). The results are clear, violence has decreased for every group in the country, except young Black males, reinforced by a culture of violence and exclusion from the mainstream economy. This PUBLIC POLICY decision leaves for them only an underground economy, drug sales, etc., which can only lead to prison. Note how the millionaires you referenced give instructions in their lyrics on how to kill their peers, use drugs, and wear slave and chain-gang like shackles for pants. While bragging about going to prison, promoting it as a cultural norm. Urging young people to drop out of school. Be a Millionaire at any cost? I DON”T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn’t want to be a millionaire that way! Then you wonder why there’s so much violence among the youth. THERE IS A RELATIONDHIP BETWEEN THINGS!!!

The “WAR on DRUGS,” which has resulted in Black people in the US being over represented by a rate of 3 to 11 times greater than their representation in the population, in every state in the Union (according to the 2000 census) was/is a PUBLIC POLICY decision. The self-destructive culture created in the 1980s to reinforce it, was/is a PUBLIC POLICY creation(See Ms. Des’s description of the various manifestations of public policy).

Alena,

Thanks for your feedback. You were correct. Pat buchanan is a politician. The man has run for president at least twice. And some predict he plans to run in 2012. The good thing is, he is not a good politician. Can you imagine that fool being president?

9trayGcity,

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I’m a brother! I keep trying, man.

jmd and Lela,

I’m still waiting for you to enlighten me.

Let me give you an example of the kind of precise, yet comprehensive, answers I need so I can come up to your level, by answering one of the questions you asked:

Regarding public policy, you stated that it was unimportant. As an example of why it is unimportant, you Asked: “Why do projects exist?”

My answer: The existence of “Projects”, officially known as public housing, is the most obvious function of PUBLIC POLICY one can think of. They were built directly by the government as a PUBLIC POLICY effort to provide low cost housing for the poor.

I need the Questions answered in that manner, in order to maximize my understanding.

If you need assistance, I suggest you consult the disciplines of:
1. Political Science (including governmental policy).
2. Economics (including social economics).
3.Urban Planning (including Urban economics).
4.Sociology (including the sociology of crime).
5. African American History (including the history of Freedom Movements).

That might be a good place to start.

Thanks.
I await your response. I want to learn.

Yes I can believe it. They don’t give a damn what the country things or wants.

I too want health care, but not they way they are doing it. Because of how they have gone about this, I hope every democrat up for (re)election loses, starting in Massachusetts.

You should not have to bribe people from your own party to support party legislation.

LET US LOOK AT TEXAS. Texas is a Republican State. Population is mostly minority(Latino, Black). They have POLICY, however, they have no POWER OR CAPITAL.

Minority Texans have not enough power to elect a DEMOCRATIC nor MINORITY SENATOR. WHY???? We need more ACTION, POWER, CAPITAL, less rhetoric.

How can you tell what is good money or bad money???? There is only legal or illegal money. Legal money earned with a profit is called ENTERPRISING CAPITALISM. This is what BLACK PEOPLE NEED MORE OF!!!!!!!

**K2O**

I was talking about the urban community investing in themselves. I did not mention anything about black doctors, lawyers, and etc.

Question to us all?

Who owns the most Jordan shoes and clothes? The black urban communities or the rich blacks living in the upscale communities ?

And Michael Jordan has way more money than Obama!

How does the church auxillaries raise money for the churh building fund and church anniversaries??

There is always a way!

Like I stated, the community should get together and have meetings at their local schools to make sure that their kids get the best education and opportunities.

It’s time we go from “mind your business” back to “it takes a village” mentality.

Who would have thought that a Republican would win in the bluest of blue state like MA -Kennedy Country.

The power of the people. Obama, Pelosi and Reid socialist agenda is now seriously in doubt. They have made a mockery of health care. Sweetheart deals, special interests favors, quid pro quo, play by play — Thanks to the people of MA.

Alana, typical Dem. response when nothing else to say. You resort to name calling and stereotyping. I am not offended as I have heard it many times.

Ms. Des let’s hear more about Nixon. Oh yeah don’t leave out the part where he approved and drove quotas.

Let me be clear. I am not proposing that Republicans are the magic bullet but they are most definitely the best choice if you had to make a choice. Just looking at their agenda and principles it doesn’t take a genious to figure it out. That doesn’t mean that everyone will be successful or will make it. Not everyone is a success. One thing is for sure if you aren’t forward thinking in this country you will be left behind. There is a time and place for Democratic principles but it must be the right mix.

Those folks above who mentioned blacks need more capitalism: YES. I agree. Instead what we have been given is a Socialist government and an Administration that sneaks, takes, hides, bribes, berates, blames, enables, and lies to those in need. Obama and his cronies deplore those who want to make something of themselves. They regret the wealthy, as if the wealthy has cheated them or taken from them. There are a lot of wealthy people who have made the right decisions and worked their tale off. Now we have a President telling young black kids that being wealthy is a sin and you should wait on Obama to deliver the bones. Change is in the air folks. You best believe all these Democrats in Congress and the Senate are shaking in their boots. I do hope we have seen the last of these Socialist , terrorist comforting policies that finds its origins from the WH.

CAPITALISM AND (s0called) DEMOCRACY WAS CREATED BY EUROPEANS with the mission to dominate the world via COLONIALISM. Most of the world was SOCIALISTIC, TOTALITARIAN AND COMMUNISTIC.

It worked to some extent. We had two World Wars and several smaller wars. CHINA built a wall and put the EUROPEANS OUT.

Colonialism/Capitalism enabled Europeans to steal the resources from several countries.

INDIA put the Europeans out of their country.

We finally got the message. CHINA, INDIA, RUSSIA, JAPAN are all CAPITALISTS. They are beating Europeans at their own game. The tables have turned. It is not a secret. The top shall soon be on the BOTTOM.

When others make the rules it is hard to figure out the moves. However, the moves have become quite obvious. BLACKS are now learning to be CAPITALISTS. LOOK OUT HERE WE COME!!!!1

**K2O**

The comment I made was that the urban community should invest in their schools, you mention lawyers, doctors, and etc., I presumed you ment black professional my bad; however, are you stating that we have to have professionals living in the urban communities inorder for the school to get support?

I did not state that? And also asked several questions in my comment that did not get answered.

To the “Black Conservatives,” also known as: “Uncle Ruckus” from the Boon Docks cartoon, and prototypes of the “Doll Studies” subjects.

You say that if people “aren’t forward thinking” in this country, they will be left behind. I agree with that statement 100%. However, the question that I have is: “How can being a zealot follower of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Nixon, Reagan, Bush& Bush, et., al., move African Americans forward?

How can a group of Black apologists for racism move African Americans forward?

How can a belief system like that expressed by Lela (Jan. 19th, 2010 at 5:57 PM), in response to my observation that so-called “Gangsta Rappers” are being paid millions of dollars to mislead Black youths into embracing the public policy implementations of their own destruction. For example, killing one another wholesale, devaluing education, bragging about going to jail to waste their youthful years, wearing leg shackles for pants (which makes it easy to get caught after committing the mindless acts, etc.)

Lela wrote: “How can you tell what is good money or bad money?? There is only legal or illegal money. Legal money earned with a profit is called ENTERPRISING CAPITALISM. This what Black people need more of!!!!!!”

Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah, I have a problem with that kind of thinking. While it is a clear explanation, although as sick as it is, as to why the Black Conservatives behave as they do (operant rewards), it is certainly not my idea of how Black people can move forward.

Clearly what she is saying (with no shame at all) is money is all that matters. In her sociopathy mind, as long as it’s legal, it is great business. Regardless if it comes from urging Blacks to self-destruct in the streets, or playing the intellectual twin to Uncle Ruckas on talk shows. Both of which are legal. But are they moral? Do they conform to the social norms of decent Black people? Are they in the best interest of the group? OF COURSE NOT!!!

Well, I’m sorry, but I wasn’t raised that way!

Of particular note, is how these sociopaths rationalize their treason by claiming they are participating in “Capitalism.” They are no more participants in Capitalism than our enslaved ancestors participated in Capitalism. Capitalism is the owning of the means of production, goods, services, and distribution markets. What do “Capitalists” like Lela produce? They don’t produce a toothpick. SELLING-OUT does not make one a “Capitalist”!! It makes one a TRAITOR!!! Not having morals does not make one a Capitalist. It makes one a sociopath!! Indeed, they are not Capitalists at all. They are sell-out “services.” In that sense, they are “commodities!

The two greatest externally imposed internal threats to the well being of the African American community over the past several decades are the Black Conservatives, and the so-called Gangsta Rappers. One, the Black Conservative, was created to commit intellectual crime. While the other, Gangsta Rapper, was created to reinforce street crime policies.

To celebrity worshipers of other confusions. I am not going to argue with you. I understand why you make your snide comments about “policy” can’t make people “equal” and all that, as if that’s what being discussed. I’ve given you recommended disciplines inwhich to inquire. That’s all I can do. If you’d rather “wish” than study, that’s fine with me. Most people understand that everyone learns at different rates, and by different means.

Larry, sounds like Ms Des got something for you regarding the criminal Nixon. After she gets through with you, I want to explain how Nixon created the Black Conservatives, and why. I’ve got proof from the horse’s mouth. I read and study.

I know it won’t do any good, because it requires thinking to change minds and behavior. Zealots don’t think, they simply repeat and recite.

Ms Des asked:
are you stating that we have to have professionals living in the urban communities inorder for the school to get support?
The simple answer is YES.
Professionals/wealthy. Schools are supported by taxes. Who pay the most taxes? — professionals/wealthy. Why do you think suburban school are better funded?

Ever heard of School District Tax Millages?

Well JWill7,

I never said that Nixon was the answer to black problems. True he was in favor of quotas and pursued that. Was he a criminal? Ok yeah. So what’s your point? Ms Des brought him up therefore she should expand her thought. Of course, she will not so I guess we will pass it to you. Now that I am through with her now its your turn to speak with me. What about Nixon? Inform us how he created the conservative brother.

By way, I am not sure how you could argue with lower taxes, better national security, less government spending, smaller government, personal responsibility, ban gay marriage, freedom to carry arms,freedom of speech: you get the message. So you tell me brother how you want America to be outside of that and we can get it on from there. This is gonna get good.

TO POLICY:

Yes there was a policy stating that Blacks should have White pictures of Jesus on walls and fans.

It was / is called “slavery and brainwashing.” You asked why didn’t whites get the memo? That’s a foolish question, because they wrote it. If you’ve studied African American history, then you should know these things..

Your comments were too disjointed to come from the same mind. You begin with foolishness and end by making sense specific to self-determination. It is unusual for the same person to be that stupid, and so intelligent at the time.

And your naming your post “policy” gives me pause. What game are you playing?

TO K20: Traitors always make me angry. But I laugh when I’m watching “Uncles Ruckus,” and his think-alikes, also known as Black Conservatives.

I’m glad you posted. I feel better now.

To Love,

I just love your comment. But I respectfully disagree on two points.

1. The youth culture you grew up in is not the same as the youth culture of today. The youth culture of today is controlled by policy driven self-destruction. No long explanation is needed. The evidence is everywhere.

Secondly, based on your stated age, you are in the age group that didn’t have to be psychologically assaulted by a externally created cadre of Black spokespersons, whose sole purpose for existing is to defend racism and befoul African Americans. They are called Black Conservatives. You are in the generation right before my own. Like my parents, you were blessed to live in the days of Martin and Malcolm. Back then, as you know, Black people had more self-respect than to behave like Black Conservatives now do in public. Yours was perhaps the greatest generation of the past century. Most of the rights we have today were won by your glorious generation. I have only boundless respect for your generation.

2.The other point on which I respectfully disagree is that racism for Blacks is only psychological. Racism is physical as well. Its physical manifestations are captured in statistics that show how Blacks lead in everything bad, and lag in everything good. These range from unemployment, home foreclosures, wages, incarceration rates; you name it.

This reality is not because Blacks as a group lack “personal responsibility,” or, are not “motivated,” etc. Rather, the data, both quantitative and qualitative, show that Blacks are relegated to these conditions by systematic (physical) racism. An example of quantitative evidence can be found in census data specific to wages. According the “Personal Income in the United States,” report (last updated in 2008 –you can access it online through Wikipedia) Blacks earn less that any other group in the country, including Hispanics. This is true despite educational attainment levels, from no degree to PhD and MD. Such a reality, as you know, is not simply psychological, but physical, in the sense that it is systematic and impacts the physical world. And due to a systematic policy of denying Blacks access to jobs and quality educational opportunities, and today’s corporate created youth culture of self-destruction, according to a 2000 US census report; in every state in the Union, Blacks are represented in the prison system at a ratio of from 3 to 11 times greater than their representation in the populations of these states. Furthermore, qualitative data, that which deals with personal experiences (eye witness accounts, if you will), show that Blacks are being discriminated against in the current job market despite possessing advanced degrees from some of the top universities in the country (see their personal accounts in the Dec. 1, 2009 New York times). The way they know its racism, is because they report that while talking on the phone to set up the interview, they’re told to come right in because the company is looking for people like them. Being professionals, they have no “Negro dialect” over the phone. But once they arrive at the appointment, and their race is revealed, they are often insulted with rolling eyes, etc. Needless to say, they never get hired.

My question to Black Conservatives, and others who blame Blacks, is: Where is the “lack of personal responsibility on the part of these Blacks?

The truth is, no other group has under gone what Blacks have in this country. No other group has paid so much and received so little in return. Blacks built this country for free. And still have not been paid. Blacks do not have to apologize to anyone about “personal Responsibility.” No one has ever given us anything. Every thing we have, we worked harder, and paid more for than anyone else. Therefore, it is my position that it is high time that we confront those who have have been hired to slander us in the interest of racism.

In some cases its simply ignorance, and in others its treason. An example of ignorance is when one is unable to see the relationship between things due to the lack of an analysis. In other cases, it might be an issue of mental development. For an example, developmental psychologists have a model of Child development where children first learn that things exist even when they can’t physically see them. For example, when a parent leaves the room, or a ball rolls behind a sofa, etc., if the child has reached the stage of “Object Permanence,” he / she knows these things still exist in the physical world, although he / she may not be able to see them at the time. Therefore, in cases, where the adult has not learned to see the relationship between things (object permanence), or have an analysis, the corrective action involves teaching critical thinking skills, etc. However, when the behavior is based in willfully selling-out, the only thing one can do is to offer corrective action assistance through the development of moral foundations and encourage these people to get another line of work.

Being from my parents’ generation, I know you are aware that people once had more self-respect than to behave in public as some of these products of Richard Nixon’s So-called “Black Capitalism” now do. If they sold out, in was in the dark, and not in the day as these Nixon created ones now do. And, equally important, they are simply incorrect in both their facts and thesis.

Additionally,, I don’t think Black people are waiting for white people to “give” them anything. I think some people are correctly demanding a policy return on their tax dollars in terms of job creation programs as was done during the previous Great Depression. I don’t disagree with them. They have the right to assistance when they’re in need just as Wall Street and other groups are getting theirs. They’re not asking for handouts, they’re asking for job creation. Because job creation is what governments do. Why must African Americans be the only ones left out? Why must people who bet more in a one night vegas crap game, than our collective yearly incomes get policy financial bailouts, and we are asked to pull up our boot straps when we are barefeet.

Finally, I do agree with your observation that too many Blacks are waiting to be accepted by whites.
That, as you know, comes from the brain washing that Blacks are constantly bombarded with which falsely propagate that we are inferior. That’s another role the Black conservatives play in denying the destructive role racism plays in our lives. You see, the implication is clear; the cause of our condition must lie somewhere. So if it has not been imposed on us by systematic racism, then we must be inferior. Where else could there be an explanation? That’s how dangerous these people are in their propaganda. That’s why they must be challenged.

AS you have suggested, Blacks must build our own communities. But that requires more than slogans. That requires logistics and people must be educated, motivated, and organized to do these things. Then to, equally important, we must have resources. There must be an end to the over 50% unemployment rate. But that won’t happen as long as we continue in a billion-dollar induced hypnotic state of “Oh, Lord. I never thought I’d live to see the day.” As one well known Black scholar has pointed out: “If we’re not careful, what we are viewing as our greatest victory, might turn out to be our greatest defeat.”

Have a happy new year! And thank you for all those children you have educated. It is because of your dedication that people like me still stand. You are truly a hero! My respect for you is boundless!

Jesse Jackson called OBAMA a “N” – he forgave him. Pastor Wright mentally assaulted OBAMA – Obama forgave him. Obama had to leave the Church, but he loves Pastor Wright. We all sling insulting words to each other. We must move past this to greater problems.

Africa (Black Africa) has produced 2 (two) BILLIONAIRES. one IN NIGERIA , ONE IN SOUTH AFRICA. CANADA HAS PRODUCED ONE billionaire. America has produced two Black billionaires – OPRAH AND JOHNSON.

Northern Africa (ARAB AFRICA ) has produced several billionaires (Oil). However, they are not included in African stats. We all know EGYPT is not a part of AFRICA (SMILE) THIS IS A JOKE>!!!!!!!!

OK After communism – RUSSIA HAS BILLIONAIRES, CHINA HAS BILLIONAIRES. After colonialization, SOUTH AMERICA HAS BILLIONAIRES. Ther are even MEXICAN BILLIONAIRES.

Why do BLACKS HAVE A PROBLEM competeing as Capitalists. We may not agree with the rules of the game – but we want the BENEFITS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO DO.

We want these CAPITALISTS to give us jobs, we want policy to make us equal. As you can see in the above paragraph – we are not equal – economically.

If we want the capitalists to employ us. WHY CAN’T WE BECOME CAPITALISTS AND EMPLOY OURSELVES??????????????

This is the racism equation – what is the root of the problem? We are physically/mentally able. HOWEVER, WE ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY INFERIOR. We must recognize this before we can change it.

Reperations for AFRICA, AND AFRICAN AMERICANS – IN CAPITAL – is one way to help lessen this gap. Our rich resources stolen in Africa have to be given back to us. If someone steals your car and you find them with your car – do you forget about it????? Or, do you deman the return of your car????

Africans are due repayment of what was stolen from them. We know where the thieves are , and we know where our resources are. We must DEMAND the return of our valuable resources!!!!!

We must develop ENTREPRENEURIAL/CAPITALIST SKILLS. If we spend time developing these attributes, we will rise as players in the field of ENTERPRISE , like we rise in other challenges.

WE MUST DO THIS.

Now to an important topic, it’s time for the re-emergence of black capitalism. People like A.G. Gaston of Birmingham, Ala who died at the age of 103 worth $130 mil. Or todays leaders, Karriem Beyah who is now a black grocery store owner in Chicago. And Magic Johnson.

To jmd:

I agree with everything you said, except the notion of Blacks being “psychologically Inferior.” That’s where we will never agree. BLACKS ARE NOT INFERIOR IN ANY WAY. And we don’t need white and Black conservatives constantly bombarding us with that propaganda. The purpose of the propaganda is to condition us to feel inferior. Maybe you are a victim of the propaganda already. In fact, you are obviously a victim of it, since you believe it, and I know you didn’t create it. Indeed, that’s where the problem has been all along. Your not understanding the policies holding back African Americans, and therefore putting all the Blame on your own people.

On the question of Blacks and Capitalism: Blacks have historically built businesses, everything from the famous Black Wall street in Tulsa, Ok., to insurance companies, to publishing empires, etc. Even after emerging from chattel slavery with nothing but rags on their backs they did these things. Most of the small businesses in Black communities were owned by Blacks just a few short years ago.

What happened? Black Wall street was destroyed by whites in a race war attack in 1935. In later years (particularly after the Black Capitalist “Soul City” charade) many large Black business were were forced to sell due to tax POLICIES. Local businesses were closed due to POLICIES of “imminent domain,” which by law took the land where these businesses were located for other use. This also included zoning changes. Still another cause of Black business loss can be found in policies of lending institutions. People fresh of the boat were given loans to open businesses that were denied Blacks. Thus, with unlimited capital, this enabled them to entice many local Black Businesses to sell, many of these Black Business owners simply took the money and retired. As a community, many of us did / do not understand the importance of such matters, and blindly patronized these outside owned businesses, even though they didn’t employ Blacks. Notice I said, “didn’t understand,” not “psychological inferior.” Those are two different things.

While many Blacks are clear on the need for Blacks to own all the institutions in our own communities, that’s not the point of contention I have with you. My disagreement with you is in your shameless peddling of the Black (recited) and white (created) conservative propaganda that all the problems facing Blacks are due to our own inferiority. That we don’t have opposition. That society is “color Blind,” or as the latest con goes, “post racial.”

Simply believing these things does not make one a Capitalist. Just like when Nixon sent that group of “Black Capitalists,” off to South Carolina in the early 1970s, or somewhere, built a couple of tents and gave them water, and called it “Soul City,” didn’t make them Capitalists either. It made them traitors, given their behavior since emerging from those tents. For example, Roy Ennis had had a history of good sense. But he came out of those tents talking like a complete nut. I remember my father asking my mother :”What in the world have they done to Roy Ennis?” To which she responded, “I don’t know, it must be something Nixon has put in the water in those tents.” To which my aunt responded: “In their water, or in their pockets?” And, interestingly enough, it was after this sham emphasis on so-called “Black Capitalism,” that real Black Capitalism (Black business ownership) began its decline. Many of us are currently researching that relationship. There must be one, since we know that THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THINGS.

Something deep within tells me you are probably a good person, just confused. You have the right ideas, but you need to get over your apparent hatred for your own people. A lot of your tirades against other Blacks are probably representative of how you feel about yourself. Now I’m not saying you are aware of this. But I’m saying that is the underlined attitude that is at the root cause of so much senseless Black on Black violence today. Psychologically speaking, people being trained to believe that they are no good, then having their environments shaped to facilitate self-destruction.

Just talking about Capitalism, or being willing to do anything, however immoral, for money, doesn’t make one a Capitalist either. Ask YOURSELF the following questions, before you lambaste other Blacks:
1. How many Black people have I hired this week?
2. How many businesses have I developed this week(or whenever)?
3. Is it fair (or even sensible) for me to put down others for not doing what I talk about, but never do myself?
4.If I’m doing the things that I accuse others of not doing, then where is the evidence?
5. If the things I talk about are ever to be, do I wait for other Blacks to do it, or do I do it myself?
6. For example, how many means of production do I own? Markets do I control? And if none, why so? Since there are no policies holding me back. And all other Blacks are intellectually inferior except me and my fellow conservatives?
7. If all other Blacks are “psychologically inferior,” how come I’m not also?

Often times we cloak our own failures, by assigning them a manifestation in people who look like us. Those of us who study these things, know it when we see it. Just like I can spot a Black Conservative (or someone who has been brainwashed by their propaganda promoted in their media omnipresence) in a second. One clue is the lack of morals, which is not consistent with normal Black society. Another is the Blocking for racism, by claiming that everything wrong is due to the inferiority of Blacks, e.g., “lack of personal responsibility,” yet they are the ones who are irresponsibly selling out other Blacks, and “psychological inferiority.” Yet, they are the ones yet to achieve “object Permanence” (developmentally) in seeing the relationship between the Black condition and deliberate racism, and they are the ones who have not out grown their “Doll Study” responses. And when they try and talk about Black self-reliance, they don’t use terminology that is consistent with the historical struggles of our own people, such as “self-determination,” instead, they repeat after Reagan and use his bigoted term of “pull yourself up by your Bootstraps.” That is how to identify one of them.

So, jmd, if you do the above (1-7) things, then you won’t have time to talk about how “inferior” you think other Blacks are. No one will have to educate you (or at least try– to no avail) about policies and practices, because you’d learn from experience. For example, the best way to learn about business loan policies is to apply for one.

You mentioned Reparations. A lot of Black people believe that these are in order. However, until you become involved in the process for these things, only then will you know that they can only come about through the forcing of a POLICY that will allow that to be granted in the form of laws. It will not happen by thin air, or through romanticizing.

In closing, you also talked about forgiveness. But before forgiveness takes place, the behavior that caused the grievance must stop. When you Black conservatives stop BLOCKING for racism, then most in the Black community will forgive you. But first you must stop committing the intellectual crimes. MOST OF US WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ANY RACIST IDEA OF BLACKS BEING INFERIOR IN ANY WAY!

Finally, I will not respond to any more nonsense about policy this and that. Anyone not understanding something so simply is obviously not ready to have an advanced discussion. I think most readers have had an opportunity to see both sides of the debate, and have enough information to decide the issue.

Oh, since you still have not answered the examine questions I posed to you, I must give you an “F’ grade. However, you will have an opportunity to make it up next semester. For now, class is over.

REPARATIONS IS A CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT!!!

When you throw a rock in a crowded room– who ever it hits hollers.

HOLLA – As Roland stated, TALKING ABOUT RACE SHOULD BE PAINFUL

Larry,

In some ways I like you. That’s why I’m responding to you without your having read the sources I recommended to you. I’d like to review with you a few discrepancies I noted in your last comment. And I’m doing it in the spirit of love.

1. You stated that you “believe” I’m on “drugs.” Well now that’s a bright accusation to make against someone for simply disagreeing with you; while you zealously follow Rush Limbaugh, a known dope addict, and Glen Beck, a self- confessed alcoholic, dope addict, and psychiatric patient. You can’t say you don’t follow them, because everyone reads your posts repeating after them, calling folk who disagree with you, as they do, “socialists,” and “communists,” etc.
2. You claimed that no one could possibly be right about so many details as I have presented, therefore I must be making half of it up or reciting what I believe in my head.

Yet, I have given source information for you to review in my comments which apparently you refuse to do. When a person refuses to search for the facts, then that person is the one “believing” what they want to in their own heads while ignoring, or avoiding, the facts.

3.You say that you don’t care how Republicans feel as about you as long as they provide for you principles to advance your own cause.

But the only CAUSE we see you trying to advance is the cause of the Right Wing nuts.

What I’d like to know is, what is the relationship between your “cause” and theirs?

4.You say racists don’t bother you “AS long as they aren’t in my house or showing their colors on the job[,] more power to them.”

In other words, as long as you can’t see them, then they don’t exist. In that statement, you proved precisely my point previously regarding “object permanence,” i.,e., the developmental process wherein infants / young children learn that objects still exist although they can’t see, feel, or hear them.

In this connection, so what if you can’t see the flags and colors? Yet these are the same mindsets that decide policies by which we live; who gets fired or hired, who gets sentenced to jail for an offense, or who gets sentenced to college for the same offense; Who gets a subprime mortgage, or who gets a prime mortgage; who gets computers in their schools or who gets 25 year old text books, we could go on and on. That’s where I think the primary flaw in the Black Conservatives’ model of analysis of racism is, its at the “object permanence” level. Which occurs in very young children, most experts contend (although there are disagreements of when) between 3.5 months and two years of age.

So the attitudes of racist people do matter as long as they have the power they do over the lives of people they don’t like. That’s why policies and laws are needed, not to regulate their attitudes, but their behavior. But you repeat after them and say no laws are needed. Of course, they would say that. Wouldn’t they?

5. You say you became a “Repub” in 2000 because Clinton tried to “steal” from “big tobacco.” What interest of yours is that? Do you own a big tobacco company? Tell us more about that.

It would make more sense if you had said you didn’t like his trade policies towards Haiti, and Caribean nations, or his “three strikes and out” domestic policies. These things affected the well being of Black people. So we could have agreed on that. Although, I would question the skillet you jumped from the frying pan into. But big tobacco? Tell me more about your interest in that.

5. You say the Republicans are not our saviors, but we should be using the principles they offer. Yet I have never read anywhere where you said anything other than Blacks should become Republicans.

And what principles do the Republicans have that Blacks should emulate? Or the democrats have, for that matter?

You talk about “urban areas,” and “welfare,” and poor “schools.” But these conditions seem to persist regardless of which party is in power.

I happen to know that the whole thrust of the Republican party is to try and gain Black support. But its not going to happen anytime soon. It didn’t happen with Nixon and the “Black Capitalism” farce of “Soul City” (that only got him about 13% of the Black vote, despite a full scale effort), and its not going to happen now. Not because Blacks are “slaves” to the democratic party, as you claim, but because Blacks see it as the party most representing their interests at the MOMENT. While I don’t totally agree with that, I say at the moment, because things change. African Americans have already switched before. But it took major policy changes to bring that switch about, such as Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” and Truman’s policies on Civil Rights; LBJ’s “Grest Sciety,” which not only improved the economic conditions of many Blacks, but opened opportunities of higher learning for many as well.

Black people are not fools, and have been known to switch as recently as one year ago. Ask former President Bill Clinton, he thought “he” was the “first Black” president. Didn’t he?

But no Republican inroads will be made as long as there is no change from the present overt hatred in the Republican party, and no policies to benefit Blacks. Do you think Blacks enjoy the conditions you pointed out? Where is the Republican plan for helping Blacks solve these problems?

You say you do not believe that Blacks are infeior as most of your colleages (Black and white) preach.

That’s a good starting point between you and I. So lets agree, there will be no more name calling, just civil dialogue. But lets leave that Democrat and Republican thing alone for a while, other than the points of discussion I’ve identified, and some that you you may want to discuss.