ARE REPUBLICANS SCARED OF BLACK MEN?
In case you missed it, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart featured a clip of last weeks episode of Washington Watch.
The episode highlighted Roland Martin’s interview with Michael Steele where he admitted that Republicans were a little afraid of him! Wow! Could it be true, that even with an African American GOP leader, Repubs still don’t feel safe around a brother?
Check out the full clip and then The Daily Shows (See video at 03:30.)
If republicans fear Michael Steele, it’s only because they expect that at any moment, he might remember that their policies were never intended to benefit him. That he supports and works for their agenda, is a benefit to them.
C’mon Rance.
Free enterprise, free speech and free market. That’s what the black community needs to concentrate on, not wait for the Dems to promise or give them something. For years the Dems have been saying the right thing to make black people feel good. Yet black folks always come up empty handed. Yes, the Repubs don’t court the black community. I wouldn’t either because we are so stuck on the Dems. It makes absolutely no sense that we as blacks vote 93% for the Dem. party.
If you believe in smaller govt. , free enterprise and lower taxes then we need to be looking at our relationship with the Dems. They don’t offer those things. The only reason Repub policies don’t benefit us is because we don’t use them.
Most of us are more conservative in nature than liberal yet we still vote Democratic. We need to really look at how we are voting.
By the way Rance, what is it about the Republican agenda you do not like?
Are there any “Black Men” that are Republicans?
Larry — Right on target!!
What has the Democratic Party done for Black people. Why are the cities that voted for the Democratic Party over the years has the highest crime rate, high unemployment, the most under funded school districts etc?
Democratic Party thinking “we don’t have to do anything to improve the quality of life for Blacks, just keep promising them at election time. They will always voted for us.
Like Esther on Sanford & Son would say, Suckers!!! That’s how the Democratic Party sees Blacks –Suckers!!!
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Larry, where did you read, ‘hand out’ in my comments? There are no allusions to your preconceived notions of black people in anything I said. And Larry, other than thinking of the republican party as some status symbol – though a dubious one – what benefits are you enjoying through your association with them?
Wow. You were getting pretty emotional about this, aren’t you, Mara? Three exclamation points. Anyway, I suppose as a republican, “suckers” is a term with which you’re all too familiar, as in ‘bloodsuckers’.
Go ahead and enjoy the pat on the head you get from your fellow republicans, as you help them dismantle every advantage that allowed you to get ahead. The question is: what will they do with you after you’ve helped them accomplish their goals?
There are some black men who are republicans. i myself lean more to independent side but theological conserative which is more important.
Rance,
I didn’t have to read hand out in your comments to know actual events. That is one of the benefits to having a brain. I don’t see the Repub party as a status symbol. I believe you see it that way though.
The biggest benefit of being a conservative/Republican is our thought process. We believe in those things I said above. That is my reward for being a Republican. I can clearly see what is happening to black folks and how their thought process behaves under Democratic rule. Now Rance you answer my question as to what you don’t like about the Republican agenda. No they aren’t perfect , no one is. But tell me what bothers you about them.
Rance not every black person got ahead from affirmative action. That’s what you seem to imply in your responses. That’s what I am talking about. Somehow no one is capable of getting something on their own. It has to be handed to them. Typical Democratic thought process especially for the black community. We are going to have to earn and learn our way out of the problems we have. Until we realize that we will be stuck as a community. Even though Dems promise things we will get no further. Its all for the vote. Most blacks today are upset at the Repubs because they don’t court blacks. I don’t need them to court me to know that some of those things they stand for will assist my people in doing better. We must change the way we think and stop being so unplugged from what is really going on.
Mara is right about Democrats. They take the black vote for granted. Always have. Even in the days when they were pushing Jim Crow on us in the south. Somehow we still vote for them.
Politics is always so argumentive, no one is ever right or never wrong it’s what you as a individual want for your life and of course strength comes in numbers.
One this topic on if Republicans being scared of Black men? It’s a possibility. After keeping a certain group of people oppress for so long you better fear What God is going to do for them.
correction: should of been On this topic instead of One this topic sorry for the mis-spelling.
Karen, I really must state: You talk of oppression as if Republicans are solely responsible for black oppression. If this is a mistake on my part then OK. But if we look at history, especially the south, it was the Dems who were pushing Jim Crow and were the KKK. Those were Democratic strong holds.
I am not saying Repubs love blacks but I would like to know what Repubs have done to keep blacks oppressed?
I don’t think Repubs are scared of black men at all. The difference is Repubs don’t court blacks, Dems do.
Larry, if you have a brain, then take it out of your back pocket and begin using it.
Yes, Larry, even Clarence Thomas has benefitted from Affirmative Action, because had those laws not been in place when he was a young man, then the schools he attended would not have had to admit him. Any establishment where he might have interned or worked to gain experience, would not have had to hire him. Having grown up in the deep south, one might think he’d understand this experientially. But, this is what republicans, and especially silly black people like yourself, don’t understand; you didn’t do it ALL by yourself. Regardless of how qualified you may be or how hard you’ve worked, someone still had to make a decision about whether to give you a chance to prove yourself, especially if there was no prior knowledge of you. Whether you choose to recognize that or not, that is all Affirmative Action does. It was intended to level the playing field and hold businesses and educational institutions accountable for arbitrarily denying opportunities to people. Like any other advantage, it simply opens the door, it can’t sustain someone.
No business is going to hire anyone who is unqualified simply to fill a quota, if it wants to stay in business. Furthermore, every time white people assert that they outscored minorities who were selected for position, the question should be: how did they obtain this information? This type of information is supposed to be kept confidential, by law.
Even Michael Steele has benefitted from an Affirmative Action of sorts, because do you really believe that republicans would have chosen him to lead their party if they hadn’t been ‘one-upped’ by the election of a black president who’s a democrat? If not, then what brought it about; did the party happen to experience a coincidental epiphany, where they realized he was the most qualified?
If your employment is a job (as opposed to self-employment), and if you’re one of the few blacks, or the only one who has reached the higher levels of management, then you’d probably be surprised to learn that some of your white counterparts probably look upon you as an Affirmative Action baby, despite how many times you may have proven yourself. Yet, as someone who claims to be a black man, you apply that same narrowed idiocy to every black who isn’t you and is not republican? Sad.
No, I don’t consider it a status symbol to be a republican. I only believe that blacks like yourself do, because you seem to think that one can’t possess a strong work ethic and principals of self-reliance, unless he/she is republican. Republicans don’t own those values and never did, Larry. However, it’s apparent that you didn’t possess them, and didn’t know any blacks who did, before you became a republican.
I would appreciate if Rance do not respond to anything I say on this site. He/she is more into personal attacks than a discussion of issues. Thanks
Hi Larry, I wanted to know you personal thoughts on Affirmative Action. Also, do you think by acknowledging Affirmative Action, it devalues your accomplishments in education and employment?
Thanks
I think both the republican and democrat parties offer benefits to society. It’s not the platforms of the parties, it’s how and when the the ideas are implemented that harm people at times.
For example, cutting taxes can be good
( Republican idea) however, cutting taxes during a recession, not such a good thing. Welfare can benefit the poor ( Democrat idea) however, giving welfare to the wrong people can hinder their motivation to work. So, I feel like implementation is really want we should be focusing on. Not ideas, but how they are carried out.
I think everyone is getting annoyed because they feel like people are attacking their parties’ ideas, and their parties’ ideas are good. And they are correct. Each party has good ideas that can benefit society. It’s not the idea that’s the problem. The problem occurs when the wrong people get elected and use their position to push their own agenda/the agenda of their constituents. And their implementation of an idea harms several people.
So, the ideas of the parties can be good if they are done property and put in place at the correct time.
Sometimes Democratic ideas should be implemented–example: Roosevelt’s practices during Great Depression. And sometimes Republican ideas should be implemented–example:Lincoln’s practices during slavery.
Tasha, you are a breath of fresh air. I concur — no one party has the answer to fix American myriad of problems.
The other day someone said to me. Mara have you ever seen a right winged only bird flying or it is possible? I didn’t understand where she was going. She knew of my conservative views. Then she said, “for a bird to fly, it needs both its right wing and it left wing.
You summarized this beautifully.
Party die hearts on this site cannot bring themselves to the idea that their party is not the end all. For example, that the present government is impeccable and the former was incompetent.
There is some good in everyone of us. Conversely, there is some evil in the Democratic Party as well as the Republican Party.
what does it mean to be a repulican-it means selfish,greedy,arrogant self-serving,lawless.most people confuse republicanism with conservatism.A republican dont have no respect for noone but want to do anything and everything tenefit only themselves,so when i hear the talk about free enterprise,i think of ignorance bcos free enterprise is all about exploitation of the others by the guy with the upper hand not necessarily the smartest,free enterprise favour the guy who can force you to loose or steal your intellect,trade anyway,anyhow,it lead to economic enslavement.A good example of free enterprise is the healthcare sysytem,the people really advocating for free enterprise are not the doctors or nurses but some thieves who use their advantage to make unfair rules to steal money from both the patients and the healthcare workers.moreover,what does republicanism has to do with conservatism,it is exploitation and mental slavery-using a verse of the bible or societal rules to enslave the society-republicanism does not believe in community bcos a real republicanism is freedom from any kind of law and order,it is all about ME,ME,ME.take for example the talk about abortion-they say abortion is against God but exploiting you to work for them without adequate pay is godly,they say killing is good,they say it is not their interest to know if their neighbor is sick or dying,it is all about making money off of you.Am a conservative,i believe in God,wont do abortion,will teach people the right thing about morals,i fear God and i will take care of my neighbors too
i live in md,about 5 minutes from steele,we consider him a joke,the guy doesnt even get a good morning from his neighbors bcos we think he is just running his mouth as a jobber
Rance,
Again it seems that you feel we cannot or have not accomplished anything if it weren’t for affirmative action. I don’t have a problem with affirmative action at all. It comes and goes and not everyone can benefit from it. Therefore, we need to push forward as if it doesn’t exist. If all racism stopped today and we as black people could do anything we wanted without any barriers what percentage of our population would be ready? You know the answer to that already. Yes there are blacks that have benefited from affirmative action directly and indirectly. I think I have benefited indirectly like a lot of us. But today I will most definitely like to depend on my skills and my ability to get around the barriers that prevent me from getting where I want to be. Its tough but we must keep pushing.
Tasha, no offense but during a rescession taxes should be lowered so that businesses can use that capital to create jobs and opportunities. Also govt. spending should be reigned in. During the great depression taxes were raised and govt spent lots of money. Today that has been documented as a big mistake. Not surprisingly, Obama seems to be making the same mistake. Today we have been slow to come out of the rescession because corporations see that big trillion dollar hc bill plus the Obama admins. spending and taxing. No company is comfortable with this environment and will hold on to their money. Thus, slowing any expansion and job creation.
We need to provide the wealthy and businesses with incentives to create jobs and opportunities thus, stimulating the economy.
By the way Rance, it was Nixon who first established quotas.
Larry,
When it comes to political agendas, I admit I’m not that literate. I tell you this much though that sense Obama been in office I have truly been bless, and dwelling in Gods overflow. In the beginning I was not in favor of Obama, being that I really didn’t know much of anything about him and either was I a Democrate.
I changed my party over to democrate because what Obama was in favor of suited my interest and it took someone from the bloggs to help pray me through to make my decision to even vote in the 2008 election. I don’t put my trust in man to change what this nations is in need of, its God who is really in control and I faithfully, believe that God is who will have the last say so. God knows what his people are crying out for and he will hear from heaven and bless their hearts desire.
Larry, You and all the others who agree or disagree on whatever issues can debate all day on nay and ya, but I will trust and believe in God being the source and the strength of my daily life.
Amen.
Karen writes:
“I tell you this much though that sense Obama been in office I have truly been bless, and dwelling in Gods overflow. In the beginning I was not in favor of Obama, being that I really didn’t know much of anything about him and either was I a Democrate”
Are you saying, you have only known blessed since January 2009. If that’s your argument, your God must be a democrat.
In 2006, my daughter got a full scholarship to an ivy league school, my son got married in 2007. Without sounding cocky, I have been blessed over the past eight years I am blessed and dwelling in God’s overflow also.
Mu blessings had nothing to do with Bush being in office. I trust in God
Dare I say, your blessing have nothing to do with Obama as president.
s/b known blessings …
Karen and Mara,
Sounds like you guys have some good positive things going on. I think we all need to be praying for better prosperity in the future. A lot of us don’t like the direction we are headed in.
Mara, to which issue was your “Suckers!!!” in reference? You used that term twice.
If you can’t handle someone responding to you in kind, then don’t initiate insults.
Larry, Nixon may have begun quotas, but some Affirmative Action laws were established in the early 60s.
Rance, learn to argue intelligently
Look what I found;
*Republicans Founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Most people do not know that it was white Republicans who financed, funded and sponsored the colleges and universities for African Americans in the 1800s and early 1900s, while Democrats, with brutal force, opposed every effort made by Republicans to educate African Americans.
Billionaire John D. Rockefeller was the Republican philanthropist who donated millions of dollars to black colleges. Henry L. Morehouse and Laura Spelman are two white Republicans who worked very hard to establish and maintain some of our historically black colleges.
Laura Spelman’s work with black schools and colleges had a profound influence on both her husband and her son, John D. Rockefeller and John D. Rockefeller, Jr. In 1902, father and son set up a General Education Board to assist Southern black schools. By the end of the first decade, the board had donated more than $33 million toward furthering the goals of black education. By 1921, they had donated an additional $96 million for education. Black schools and colleges were the recipients of some of this money as well.
Spelman College, established for African American women, bears the name this devout Christian woman.
Henry L. Morehouse was the Executive Secretary of the Home Mission Society, an organization that financed and started many of the first black schools and colleges. Morehouse received national recognition when a prominent black college in Atlanta, Georgia, the Augusta Institute, decided to honor him by naming their school after him (Morehouse College).
Atlanta University’s founder and first president (1867-1885) was Republican Edmund Asa Ware, who had been converted to abolitionism as a young man by reading Uncle Tom’s Cabin.
The founder of Fisk University was Republican Erastus M. Cravath. Cravath had been brought up by his abolitionist father and had attended two integrated colleges.
The following is a list of some of the black schools and colleges that were founded by prominent Republicans in the face of opposition from Democrats.
Morehouse College 1867 Atlanta, GA
Howard University 1867 Washington, DC
Spelman College 1881 Atlanta, GA
Shaw University 1865 Raleigh, NC
Fisk University 1866 Nashville, TN
Atlanta University 1867 Atlanta, GA
Virginia Union University 1899 Richmond, VA
Straight University 1869 New Orleans, LA
Talladega College 1867 Talladega, AL
Clark University 1870 Atlanta, GA
Meharry Medical College 1867 Nashville, TN
Morgan College 1867 Baltimore, MD
New Orleans University 1873 New Orleans LA
Philander Smith College 1883 Little Rock AR
Rust College 1883 Holy Spring MS
Samuel Houston College 1900 Austin, TX
By the way, it was Democrats
1. who started the KKK in Tennessee
2. Initiated Jim Crow
3. fought Republicans on funding, and building HBCU’s.
4. In the late 60’s fought civil rights legislation even though Johnson signed it into law.
5. Repubs helped start the NAACP
In my opinion there is no way 93% of us should be Democratic. The Democratic party has been great at recruiting blacks for years by saying what we want to hear. Kind of the same way Dems have been trying to make illegals citizens. Its all being done to get the vote.
I would really like to hear some honest dialogue as to why blacks should support the Democratic party. That may include stating what Repubs have or have not done for blacks. I understand we all can’t be Repubs but at the same time most of us should not be only Dems.
What difference would it make if black people were democratic or republican. Are votes would still be taken for granted.
Excuse the typo: Our votes would still be taken for granted.
Peter, who appointed you the arbiter of intelligent debate, especially since it’s clear you have nothing to say on the topic at all?
Larry, those institutions were established in the 1800s, and the founders are long dead. So, how do those actions transfer to the current republican party?
Most black people were republican until the 1950s. What turned the tide? Much of it can be attributed to a man you mentioned earlier, Richard Nixon, who came across as untrustworthy during his bid for the presidency in 1960, and proved to be just that during actual time in office. Then, when your beloved Ronald Reagan served as California’s governor during the 1960s, then president in the 1980s, minorities and poor whites got a good sense of the direction the party would go…against them.
Yes, I’m aware of the democratic party’s history in the old south. This is no surprise. Although imperfect, I still consider the democratic party of today as the lesser of two evils.
Rance,
You have provided words with little evidence. Give us some hard facts. You keep saying Republicans are against blacks but have failed to provide one example.
You make accusations all day but have very little substance. Today we see a lot of what I mentioned above with Obama. A lot of fancy talk but no substance. I don’t think he has given anyone an incentive to create a single job. Out of all the people who have visited the white House this year the president of SEIU came the most. 22 times. If Obama was serious about getting the economy up and running then we would see CEO’s and CFO’s leading that list. They aren’t even close. Obama is catering to special interests, unions, and other Democratic strongholds.
Karen to answer your question: if we ignore both of them we ignore our future. These people make laws and determine policy. We must be involved continuously to have our voices and wishes heard. To ignore this process is to close our own casket.
The problem with our community is we have ineffectively given our support blindly to the Democratic party with practically asking for nothing in return. As we see no difference with Obama its time we stop that practice.
And Rance, considering the southern racists Dems were lynching blacks as late as the early 70’s, if that’s your choice of two evils then I hope you are the only one in favor of it.
It’s no secret that Blacks started out as Republican and were not really on the Democrat bandwagon until Kennedy. However, I as a registered Black female Republican am so tired of the argument Democrat vs Republican. I wish they would start teaching government in schools so that people will have a true understanding of what the government is supposed to do. In order for the government to take a smaller role in our lives, we have to take more control of our lives to the point where we don’t need government. Those of you who try to voice your opinions as guaranteed facts should be careful. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama has good intentions, it’s just that he’s up against a good ole boy system that has been in charge for years and it is going to take time to break it. There is nothing wrong with compassion for people because we all have it at some time and if we are blessed to keep living will need it from someone at some point in our life. We need to start going to community meetings, having town hall meetings with our elected officials and letting them know specifically what are priorities are. You can’t sit back and not be a part of the process and then get made when things are passed that you don’t like. And even when you get involved there are still going to be disagreements, not everyone in your party is going to want what you think they should want either. So to you all who are just trying to ding on the Democrats, please stop! My Republicans ran things for eight years, and guess what? not a damn thing changed!! People still got unemployment extensions, welfare, health care, illegal alien health care bills were still paid, school lunch programs still in effect, low income housing still in existense, etc…
Mara,
I have no clue on what you are initiating? My response was not addressed to you. I was talking to another poster. But, since you want to get in on what I was expressing about how I feel about my political agenda. I tell you this much. Politicians has never been my favorite people,because most of the elect never was in it for the betterment of the people.
President Obama (D) and First Lady Michelle are unique and different from most of all the others. Not, because they are the first African/Black and multicutural family to make it to the White house through out American History. They have really lived the truth and this is a known fact from where they have come from to really know what the poor and disenfranchise really need. I believe in them whole heartly and they are out to make a difference.
This family(Obama) can really relate to majority of the world and thats what we need in America to lead our Nation. The Obamas was not appointed by Man to sit in high authority he is one of Gods anointed! this is in spirit and in truth.
Satan wants to get our minds all messy on who is really in charge and running things, but its going to get better for Gods people. None but,the righteous shall see God. You (Mara) don’t know that God was preparing the way all along for your children to be bless and it wasn’t because who side you was on or what political party you joined.
Like I mentioned in one of my earlier post that “after keeping a certain group of people oppress for so long you should fear what God is going to do for them”. This was not about Obama it has always from the beginning about giving God the Glory. The Obamas is just the model of his people Black, white or indifferent.
Amen
Marvice,
I don’t mean to offend you but I would like to bring you some hard core facts. I have been to town halls and to tea parties.
Unlike you I do not believe Obama has good intentions. The only thing he really cares about is his agenda. We see this with the economy. He ignores it. What in the world has he done to try and get this economy on track? Please don’t say the stimulus because we already know that was money designated for his left wing supporters and strongholds. That is well documented. Only 20% has hit the street today. He tries to RAM hc down our throats when there are quite a few people who want something different. He has even gone as far as trying to get the bill passed without anyone, including politicians, reading the bill. Its a TRILLION dollar disaster. How does he have our best interest at heart doing what he is doing? We are in the middle of a rescession. Instead of cutting govt. spending and taxes he is doing the opposite thus, stagnating any recovery. How does he have our best interest at heart? All he cares about his his left wing agenda. Ironically, the worse off we are as a country the more we will need government. What a coincidence.
If you believe in smaller government then surely you disagree with Obama’s move toward Socialism and redistributing the wealth. This is what his whole presidency is about. There is no denying that. Socialism is a failed public policy that has failed and is still dying. Look at Cuba and Venezuela. To a lesser extent look at Europe. Yet we have a President who is pushing us in that direction. From his past interactions with Marxists to the the looney Czars he put in place who applaud Mao Tse Tung, and Hugo Chavez. That is not American at all. You must admit this is a bad turn for America. There is only two parties in town: Dems and Repubs. If we want to play we have to chose one.
For those of you interested in Black conservative websites here are some:
Project 21
The National Black Republican Association
The National Center for Public Policy Research
The Black Sphere – by Kevin Jackson
Mara, to which issue was your “Suckers!!!” in reference? You used that term twice.
If you can’t handle someone responding to you in kind, then don’t initiate insults.
He/she is a bitter and evil person. This is not the place to display such arrogance.
Larry said: “I am not saying Repubs love blacks but I would like to know what Repubs have done to keep blacks oppressed?”
Let’s start with President Reagan, who pared down the federal college financial aid system, replacing most grants with opportunities for loans. Apparently, it was more important to enrich his Wall-Street contributors than to educate the underprivileged, most of whom happened to be minorities.
The party that gave us Emancipation also created laws which strip convicted felons of their civil rights (suffrage most importantly) even after they meet their sentencing requirements. Compounding that is the fact that the list of crimes characterized as felonies has expanded to include nonviolent crimes, thanks in great part Reagan’s ‘war on drugs’, which as it turns out was mostly war on blacks. Check out an article on the issue.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/crime09.htm
In the 2000 Presidential election, Florida officials ‘erroneously’ placed thousands of law-abiding citizens, mostly African Americans, on its felon list and turned them away at the polls. Fifty-four percent of the votes that were eventually discounted in that election were cast by blacks, even though they made up only 11% of the voters.
And it’s a mystery to me how anyone with a conscience, as you obviously have Larry, can foment the Reps assault on ACORN, whose most significant efforts include getting people in poor communities registered to vote. See a pattern here?
Trickle-down economics was another joke on minorities. The same people who laughed their way to the bank when this began are now taking big government bailouts because they are ‘too big to fail’. More hilarity.
I’m not saying Reps are always wrong and Dems are always right. The American political system is farcical in my opinion. I vote based on individual candidates’ and their stands on the issues. But with GW Bush, I saw a change in the Republican party. There emerged this undercurrent of secrecy and disingenuusness. The same people who swift-boated John Kerry gave me a President who in essence is a draft dodger (mysteriously topping the Texas Guard waiting list, 100,000 deep.) The same duplicity also gave me the Iraq War, a failed economy, and impediment to health care reform. Ronald A. Williams (CEO of Aetna) makes 24M/year. And Reps claim they cannot tolerate reform because in addition to socializing a private industry, it will cover illegal aliens. They must prevent this, even at the expense of legitimate American citizens who cannot afford monopolized insurance rates. This is the party of Lincoln?
Peace!
Michael Steal Republicans Black “TOKEN”
Answer to John Stewart’s Question: will a Black face ever be OKAY “NO”
Wake-up America, the scientist was told to hide it, the secret society of America knows about it, what is this secret? THE BLACK MAN IS THE ONLY RACE THAT CARRIES THE SEED OF ALL GENTILES (the human race) UPON PLANET EARTH, This uncovers and spoils the white man’s theology of being the superior being on planet earth. Until the white man can man up and except the TRUTH that he is not superior and stop trying to convert all races into looking and acting like him, only then will the Black man’s face be OKAY and/or welcomed. Oh yes, in other words the Black man’s seed is DOMINANT if all races continue to LOVE each other we will all be converted back to BLACK!!! THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS BLACK AND WAS BIRTH BY A BLACK WOMAN CALLED EVE! So, get the truth Michael Steal and you will see why they are afraid of you, you will wipe them out; the White man is history if he says “the Black Man is OKAY” man-up John Stewart with the TRUTH I promise you it will set you free BROTHER.
Prophetess Janell M. Groves
Mara, whatever.
Thank you, Brenda, for showing up with facts that Larry will still manage to dismiss.
Larry, let’s approach it this way: tell me why I SHOULD support the republican party. Tell me what they’ve done lately, that garners recognition from blacks?
BTW, Larry, Marvice’s comments are neutral, yet you’re challenging a fellow republican to provide “hard core facts” because she hasn’t joined you in derailing the president! You can’t even accept that someone can think well of him unless they provide you “hard core facts” in support of a favorable OPINION.
Rance we have already covered your questions regarding the Republicans. I suggest you go back and read through the dialogue.
Brenda: I find your argument to be of the Dem. mind: its ALWAYS someone else’s fault. I can’t believe you tried to back up your point by showing Reagan cracking down on drugs and drug users and somehow blacks are the victims in this. So you have taken an illegal activity and somehow those blacks committing these crimes are now victims. Wow. I thought you were going to show blacks working hard, doing what they are suppose to do and somehow Reagan squashed their dreams. Yeah we all know about the myth of the CIA pushing drugs into the community and all that. I could make a better argument against Reagan than you have. Its really hard to prove that Reagan’s war on drugs was really a war on black people. That is pure Democratic thinking.
The same with the school grants. So now Reagan cutting school grants is a direct attack against blacks? I guess whites and Hispanics weren’t affected. The sad part about this is that there are more brothers in jail than in college and somehow you try to make this argument. If you want to know the true facts in the last two years of the Bush adm. He set aside $800 million for HBUs in the budget. Obama wiped that away. Now Obama and the Dems tried to tell us the money is still there its just divided differently but the math lesson they tried to play doesn’t add up. You didn’t mention that fact. That’s documented and unquestioned.
Then you have the audacity to mention ACORN. The people , in several offices, who were willing to help a couple set up a child pornography ring. You must be kidding. They have been known for voter fraud for years and with this prostitution thing they are lucky all of them aren’t arrested. I don’t care how many people they registered to vote. Of course , Obama who has always been tied to their hip somehow manages to slip away from their shadow. We’ll see how long he can do his slide away from that.
Who do you think will be paying insurance for illegal aliens? If you are not a citizen or do not have proper documentation you shouldn’t be here plain and simple. How can you argue with that?
Brenda Socializing an industry? What industry are you referring to? If insurance it will wipe them out not Socialize them. Insurance rates aren’t necessarily the problem. Since Rance was unable to answer my questions I’ll ask you: why is it hospital rooms cost well over $1000 a day? Why are MRIs running around $1600? Do insurance companies have anything to do with that?
Bush had secrecy yes. Since 911 I’ll take that over what Obama has to offer. He hasn’t told the truth very much the whole time he’s been in office. Unbelievable.
Larry, the operative word was “lately”. I ran through your scripted ‘repubs good, Obama bad’ speeches again, looking for the hard core facts relative to the present. I don’t find any. You threw that “wiped away” $800 million dollar comment out there without any references to back it. Since Bush had wiped away the healthy economy that Clinton left upon his exit from the White House, then tell me Larry, what was there left for anyone who would follow?
The economy is still financing those two wars, Larry, one of which was completely unnecessary in the first place. Come on. Be rational. You’ve allowed your dislike for president Obama to cloud your objective reasoning.
As far as my answering your questions about hospital rooms, it’s obvious you didn’t bother to read my posts on that subject on SENATE PASSES HEALTHCARE BILL of October 13, nor the three links to articles about hospital costs that I’d provided. You can review those if you’d like…no need to repeat.
Ok Rance. I’ll have to look for those. I don’t remember you answering them at all. I really don’t see how you could. Since you can’t sum it up here then OK.
If you need reference for the $800 million Rance look it up. Its not hard to find at all.
Saul Alinsky was a radical socialist on the south side of Chicago. A community organizer just like Obama. He wrote the book Rules for Radicals. Basically a know how book on how to beat the system and others through the eyes of a Socialist. Obama, in Audacity of Hope and Obama Nation mentions Alinsky frequently. For example, in Audicity of Hope, page 184, you will see Alinsky’s name being used. No other president in history has probably uttered this man’s name. Somehow though this President has frequently. The real problem Rance is because Obama is black you give him a pass. Plain and simple. Nothing else matters to you.
As far as Republicans; Freedom of speech, free enterprise,free market, lower taxes and smaller govt. These things Democrats do not practice. We see this today with Obama’s king size govt HC plan allowing government to control 1/6 of the richest country in the world. And instead of trying to make the economy better and assisting people in getting jobs all he cares about is a trillion dollar hc bill. Guess what? We have to pay that bill.
Both wars unnecessary. Rance the things you say. And you keep talking about the economy and the war and blaming Bush. No offense but either you refuse to look at the real facts or you just don’t care. I have been through this with you many times.
It takes a majority in the Senate and house to go to war. Clinton and Biden voted for the war. They did not object. But like most Democrats when the going gets tough and they are questioned about their choice somehow they were fooled and its not their fault. Look at your VP and Secretary of State when you talk about wars. And while you are at it take Colin Powell with you as he pushed harder than Bush for the war.
The economy: it all started with Bill Clinton. When he left office the dot.com bust was well in play. You can mostly blame Clinton and Greenspan for that. Clinton also deregulated the financial markets in 1999 which accelerated the housing bubble. In 2003 Bush tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie but Barney Frank and his losers fought him off. Then in 2005 Bush and Mccain made another run to fix Fannie and Freddie and this time Dodd, Obama and Frank threatened to fillabuster. Bush’s only mistake was not throwing these people to the side and doing what he needed to do. Now this is all documented and recorded. I’ll give you a starting point. September 2003 NYT article. I will no longer communicate with you on this. Rance at least get the facts right.
He/she writes:
“You’ve allowed your dislike for president Obama to cloud your objective reasoning.”
Equally, he/she allowed her adoration for president Obama to cloud he/she objective reasoning.
Larry:
Just read this on the Obama’s administration fabrication of the numbers of jobs saved/created from the $780B stimulus.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/creating-job-creation-lawmakers-question-obama-administration-stimulus/story?id=9107404
Here us another undisputed fact about this administration: In about 240 days the Obama’s administration added two trillion dollars to the country’s debt. At this rate, God help us all.
Communist China must laughing at us all the way to the bank.
Okay, I have a question? Larry what color or you if you don’t mind me asking?
What harm is it for people to agree to disagree?
I see where their was a post by another Republican on this site and she made some good points and you (Larry sort of attacked her) Why?
Mara why all the harsh words toward Karen?
Is she not entitle to say her piece on this site?
Brenda W you seem to know what you are talking about, you dont have an attitude when you appoarch people, but when people don’t agree with you they seem to attack as well.
Rance make some good points as well, yet I don’t understand why she is being attacked.
Larry you are correct about the Republican party being pretty much black, but you don’t see how that has changed? I’m not sure why the changed happen, and if you can enlighten me it would be great.
I would like to know why do you think so many blacks decided to become Dems, what changed?
Thanks
Larry, I’m glad you brought up race because I’ve really been wanting to broach this subject with you.
What happened to you? You seemingly prefer to believe that racism is only a myth. I find it hard to believe that someone who has walked around in black skin that might be visibly apparent, has never sensed racism directed toward him. What a phenomenon: a black man who has never experienced racism! Why don’t you add ‘experience racism’ to your bucket list, then come over here to Texas so that you can get a feel for it…broaden your scope a little.
If you’re so convinced that my support of President Obama is based only on the merit of race, is his race the reason for your vehement opposition toward him? Why are you so much more unforgiving of every black individual than any white?
You’ve defended Rush Limbaugh, of all people, who makes no bones about his racial bias. How have you become so emotionally detached from your own race, that you feel nothing when Limbaugh blatantly makes statements that broad, generalized and laced with racial stereotypes? Do you REALLY believe that he cares about your best interests, especially if he knew you were black?
If I hadn’t actually met black people like you, I would be sure you were some ultra conservative white guy whose only purpose is to spread all negativity he can about the black guy who took office. Not that racism should be a barrier for anyone, but it is a hurdle, and has been for this president. You’ve refused to acknowledge this, even when it was glaringly obvious to some whites.
If your views were only political, at least I could respect that. But you actually nurse a visceral and very personal hatred toward the MAN Obama. And those associated with him have not been spared either. You continued to spread lies about Van Jones being an ex-convict even after you were presented with information that he had only been arrested for a peaceful protest, of which the charges were dropped, and had never served prison time.
What is it, Larry? I’m sure it’s something deeply rooted in your childhood, but what is it about now, in adulthood…jealousy?
littlebit:
What harsh word have I written toward Karen. you miight have confused me with some other posters?
For the record, Here is my only post in reference to Karen:
Mara
on November 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm Said:
Karen writes:
“I tell you this much though that sense Obama been in office I have truly been bless, and dwelling in Gods overflow. In the beginning I was not in favor of Obama, being that I really didn’t know much of anything about him and either was I a Democrate”
Are you saying, you have only known blessed since January 2009. If that’s your argument, your God must be a democrat.
In 2006, my daughter got a full scholarship to an ivy league school, my son got married in 2007. Without sounding cocky, I have been blessed over the past eight years I am blessed and dwelling in God’s overflow also.
Mu blessings had nothing to do with Bush being in office. I trust in God
Dare I say, your blessing have nothing to do with Obama as president.
Rance:
You’re not lying about Texas. The lone state is the biggest racist state I’ve every been in and blatant rednecks. What makes it even more hilarious a lot of biracial children are born in Texas. Former President George Bush himself have a few biracial children running around. Why is it that what you hate you turn around to love on the downlow? I don’t hate or have a dislike for other groups of people, because I don’t want to end up marrying them. I just settle my differences with that individual not the whole entire race.
I believe Larry is a Blackman married to a white woman and trying to get in with the other people (white). It is so obvious and his race should not be questionable its self explanatory.
Rance, I was born and raised in Texas. So when I hear someone like Larry speak on being black and he have so much hate towards President Obama, I have to question if he really is a black man.
I just don’t believe it…..
Mara: your God must be a democrat. When you said her God what were you did you mean?
How come her God has to be a Democrat. I didn’t know God was either. So to me when you say stuff like that to a person it is somewhat harsh. Even though I know Karen C can handle herself. I just couldn’t understand why you said her God.
Correction Mara When you said her God what did you mean?
You know you guys are amazing. Even funny. First you think you are the only ones who have been to Texas. I hate to bust your bubble. I have lived in lots of places and Texas IS one of the best states for blacks. Illinois is much worse, much worse. The racism there would make your skin crawl. Not only that but the black on black crime in Chicago would leave you perplexed and scared. The consistent high black unemployment rate is no joke either. I don’t think you know about racism, please. This is why Obama is who he is. Chicago politics. Ruthless. There are other states also that would chase you home.
I am a brother yes, but apparently not yours. Its interesting. You couldn’t deal with the hard facts so you had to somehow attack my ethnicity. What’s clear about me is I don’t let my color tell me lies. I know what’s good for America. I know a Marxist when I see one. The fact that you refuse to say anything about this person who sits in the WH and does absolutely nothing about the economy while we all rot is a disgrace. You aren’t black because you are not standing up for your people. You are only standing up for Barack and he could give a da… about you. Just amazing. I am a brother and probably know more about our African roots than anyone on this panel. That’s half our problem in America is that we know nothing of our roots.
Now I don’t say this to be mean but when you want to call me white then ok its on. If I was so white why would I spend time talking on this site when I could be busy doing something else. That’s what I’m talking about. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you you attack their color just like youngsters would attack a young brother because he has mastered the English language. We see this all the time. Mara is right on point about the jobs site numbers. Obama again, has found a way to try and deceive the public but its not working. You guys can’t see it because you can’t get past his color.
I’m not sure how you guys can take this. Here is a brother in office and he is basically an empty suit bowing all over the world to other leaders like he is some pheasant and not the most powerful man in the world. The funny thing is , is black folks is the one he’s fooling the most while we take on the brunt of what’s really going on in America.
Like I said check out the black conservative sites I have named above.
littlebit…. Apparently who didn’t read Karen’s posting to which I was responding.
Karen statement was:
“I tell you this much though that sense Obama been in office I have truly been bless, and dwelling in Gods overflow.”
So I posed the question:
Are you saying, you have only known (been) blessed since January 2009. If that’s your argument, your God must be a democrat?
The operative word here is “IF.” The if suggests that my question was conditional.
I find it hard to believe that prior to Obama (a democrat)being in office, Karen had not experienced blessing and was not dwelling in God’s overflow as she stated.
Karen C writes:
“Former President George Bush himself have a few biracial children running around.”
Are you for real?
November 2008, America voted the first biracial person to be president. Being biracial can’t be a bad thing.
Hello All
My name is Rik and I’m new here
have you guys finished this discussion, or is it on going. If finished, where are guys debating now?
I must say, I love the diverse opinions.
Rance, Karen and Littlebit,
One day you guys will learn that racism will always be here and that after awhile it makes no difference whether another person likes your color or not. At that point the only thing you have left is what are your actions going to be to make your life better. As long as the racist doesn’t affect your way of life or your paycheck why would you give them so much energy? So you feel Rush doesn’t like black people. It doesn’t matter. Concentrate on what you need to do and don’t worry about people who can’t affect your life. If you need that much love then obviously there is some work to be done.
Please also put down the race card and pick up an economic book. You will then see what I see.
Larry you have never visited Texas if you think Illinois is worse than Texas. You are just spitting out hot air. What part of Texas is great for blacks?
The longest-serving member of Congress, a Democrat, WV Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK, on record of voting against the Civil Right Act.
Many on this site especially (he/she) would want us to believe that the only party that had/has bigots is the Republican Party.
I have news for you all — the Democratic Party ALSO have racists within the Party.
Larry, I always look forward to your great sense of reasoning, backed up ny facts, unlike some who can only resort to personal attacks.
I can not believe how generalized the comment was. I thought we are trying to move away from such stereotypes. So why don’t we say all democrats are poor. Please stop spinning issues….and I did say spinning. I am truly appalled with Roland Martin.
Larry, if you bothered to read the article I cited, you would have discovered how the war on drugs unfairly targeted black neighborhoods. Also check out the Frontline documentary on the issue. It depicts an elderly grandmother who is doing hard time because her son/grandson? named her as a fellow dealer as part of a plea bargain. Woman claimed she has never seen drugs, and I believe her. The system is set up to have a domino effect. According to drugwarfacts.org, “Nationwide, black men are sent to prison on drug charges at 13 times the rate of white men.” Don’t you find that disturbing?
I am not saying that anyone who commits a crime should be characterized as a victim. I strongly agree that convicted felons should not be allowed to carry weapons. But who is endangered and who is served if they are not allowed to vote? It is pure political manipulation.
Peace!
Thank you Mara. I enjoy your entries also.
Littlebit, look. I wouldn’t move to east Texas yes. Houston, Dallas , Austin and even SA are great places for anyone. High employment, compared to the rest of the country, plus affordable living. Plus, blacks are working and earning a great living in droves. You don’t see that in Il. at all. I know what I am talking about. If you live in east Texas then I would move. You obviously have never been to or lived in Chicago. Even MLK when he visited stated that he experienced and saw some of the worst racism he had ever sen there.
Brenda my take is this. Yes blacks are targeted unfairly. We are targeted in lots of areas. So you know what? Lets wise up. Let’s not become targets. Its hard to defend anyone who intentionally breaks the law whether they are being targeted or not. With all the violence and the destroying of young lives drugs brings I really don’t care who they target. If they target blacks then they at least get them out of our neighborhood. That’s a positive to me.